Russian soldiers KIA Holland

Discussion in 'Searching for Someone & Military Genealogy' started by Philip Reinders, May 13, 2009.

  1. Philip Reinders

    Philip Reinders Very Senior Member

    Is there any way to find out on which site this soldiers fought?

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  2. sapper

    sapper WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Russians?????? This took place at Venraij. An area I am very familiar with; there were NO Russians there.... NONE.
    But could it been Polish Troops that fought for the Germans??????? We know that they fought alongside the enemy.]
    Sapper NOT ON OUR SIDE.. Though we did have leaflets printed in Polish; saying the bearer of this pass is guaranteed safe passage. Or words to that effect.
    Cheers
    Sapper
     
  3. Philip Reinders

    Philip Reinders Very Senior Member

    Venray,Ysselstein German War Cemetery and from there to Russian War Cemetery Amersfoort
     
  4. Donnie

    Donnie Remembering HHWH

    A Russian Observer team attached to the Western Allies?

    Donnie
     
  5. Buteman

    Buteman 336/102 LAA Regiment (7 Lincolns), RA

    There were Russian POW's who were put into German units in the Netherlands. Take the 800 Georgians on the Island of Texel who rose up against their masters in 1945.

    It is entirely possible that there were a few Russians here and there in other German units who were killed, buried in the German Cemetery and then reburied in the Russian one in 1948.

    I don't think we will ever find out for certain.
     
  6. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    The Allies captured men from the Soviet Union in German uniforms at Normandy so there is no reason not to suspect they were fighting in Holland too.

    Cheers
    Andy
     
  7. Philip Reinders

    Philip Reinders Very Senior Member

    I was hoping our russian pal Dead b tch, could help out
     
  8. Wimpy

    Wimpy Member

    There were Russians manning anti aircraft guns around Hamburg. Not all Russians loved Stalin!!! Infact very few did.

    There is also the story of Cossack troops that made every possible effort to surrender to the American/British forces at the end of the war as opposed to surrendering to the Russian troops. They assumed they would be safe. I think they ended up being handed back to the Russians!

    Remember " My enemies enemy is my friend"
     
  9. Stevin

    Stevin Member

    Maybe not quite fighting for the germans but PoW's used to build German fortifications, trenches, etc? Maybe killed then in an artillery barrage...

    But then it would be unlikely that their names are known? At Amersfoort Russian Cemetery, very few grave markers have names.
     
  10. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Quite often Veteran's account say the 'German' prisoners they captured were in fact all Poles or Russians.
    None of this actually helps Philip out though does it?
     
  11. marcus69x

    marcus69x I love WW2 meah!!!

    Sapper,So if a Pole who was fighting for the Germans was captured and had one of these passes which garaunteed a safe passage, did that mean he wouldn't become a POW but would be given the chance to fight for the allies instead?I've heard it mentioned on here before that the Polish army carried spare uniforms so captured Poles could change uniforms and switch sides. can't remember who posted it now though.
     
  12. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Funny you should mention that Marcus,

    A chap I do voluntary work with is from Ghana and his grandfather is Polish-He fought for the Germans until he was captured and then the British.

    I've got some photo's and info coming to see if anyone can help him find out more about his grandfather.

    Cheers
    Andy
     
  13. deadb_tch

    deadb_tch the deadliest b#tch ever

    Philip, could you please provide more close foto of the list and explain its columns? I could look those men in Russian Ministry of Defence online-database of KIA/MIA of GPW.
     
  14. Belville

    Belville Senior Member

    I could look those men in Russian Ministry of Defence online-database of KIA/MIA of GPW.

    Here is the headstone of a Russian, U. Pronenko, who was with the Russian forces but is buried in the British military cemetery at Jonkerbos, Nijmegen. How did he get there?
    Michael
     

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  15. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    I've heard it mentioned on here before that the Polish army carried spare uniforms so captured Poles could change uniforms and switch sides.

    I think it was me.
    Read that a few times in various books.
     
  16. deadb_tch

    deadb_tch the deadliest b#tch ever

    Here is the headstone of a Russian, U. Pronenko, who was with the Russian forces but is buried in the British military cemetery at Jonkerbos, Nijmegen. How did he get there?


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  17. sapper

    sapper WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    The safety pass for Poles in the German army, was no more than a guarantee they would not be shot if they waved their "Pass" I know of no instance of any of them fighting alongside the Allies.

    While,(To my knowledge) there were no Russians in Normandy. On the great chase across France we passed huge lorry loads of Mongol looking men, that were packed in so tight, that the used boards up the side to get more in... Rather like hay making transport.

    They were all going back the way we had come. Who they were? I do not know except that there were a hell of a lot of them
    Sapper
     
  18. Mullet94

    Mullet94 Senior Member

    I was reading ATB Operation Market Garden Vol.2 last night and the Polish Independent Parachute Brigade captured fellow Pole's who were part of German units they were fighting around Driel. They were allowed and sounded like willing to work with their contrymen but were kept under supervision, don't think it said what the Para's used them for though.
     
  19. deadb_tch

    deadb_tch the deadliest b#tch ever

    As far as I know from books Russian POWs took part in building coastal defence and also there was a number of Russians joined german forces.
     
  20. Philip Reinders

    Philip Reinders Very Senior Member

    Dead, is it possible to find out, if they were killed in action in service of the Germans or the Allieds?
     

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