Russian and German Historians Debate Barbarossa and Its Aftermath

Discussion in 'The Eastern Front' started by Barbarossa41, Dec 4, 2008.

  1. Barbarossa41

    Barbarossa41 Discharged

    IHR DRIVEL - removed.
     
  2. ozjohn39

    ozjohn39 Senior Member

    Sorry, but the post is unreadable!


    John.
     
  3. James S

    James S Very Senior Member

    The mention of "Soviet Jews" as a specific group and "Icebreaker" much quoted by "revisionists" does make me tend to roll the eyes :rolleyes:.

    The nature of the font makes it hard to read.
     
  4. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    After raising an eyebrow at any aggressive defence of Suvorov - I've deciphered the font & I see this is an article from the infamous IHR. (Institute for historical review, a Holocaust denial organisation).

    Kindly explain your reason for quoting this segment verbatim with no added commentary Barbarossa.
     
  5. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    This may be going the same way as a recent thread!

    Adam is obviously on the ball.

    Regards

    Tom
     
  6. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Kindly explain your reason for quoting this segment verbatim with no added commentary Barbarossa.


    Good question Adam,

    After reading the post I feel I have wasted 4 minutes of my life reading something that has no point ................ Or am I just thick?

    Cheers
    A scratching head Andy :)
     
  7. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    It's a classically obfuscatory bit of blurb from 'em Andy, they aim to create confusion and increase uncertainty.
    The main trouble with the IHR is they're clever bastards; myself and many others have inadvertently read their stuff and even referenced it here before the penny drops at the large axe being ground behind the flammery.

    They are unwelcome here, and any other civilised corner of WW2 History.
    Institute for Historical Review - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Good place to double-check for any websites that appear 'dodgy' on this score. :
    Holocaust Educational Resource (Nizkor)
     
  8. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Well in my book Hitler invaded Russia and before that Stalin was his bessie buddy screwing Poland between them.

    Both Tossers in my book and always will be.

    Slightly censored basic version of events from a South East London Lad......Maybe they'll post that on their forum ?

    Cheers
    Andy
     
  9. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Don't you just hate it when some twat comes along and posts a load of bollocks with no introduction ?
     
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  10. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    I would like to point out thought that Barbarossa is an interesting campaign worthy of study!! :D
     
  11. James S

    James S Very Senior Member

    Suspicions confirmed - to me the tone and references quoted rang alarm bells.
    The cut and paste is meaningless on its own.
    IHR - have no reputation , their activities can easily be seen if anyone wants to google them and go see for themselves.
    I agree with Adam I would not grace this site with a link to them , it would insult men like Ron Goldstein to do so.

    Von Poop
    The main trouble with the IHR is they're clever bastards
    Up to a point they are but the mask always slips "Soviet Jews" , the soundbites are always there and their true colours are never far below the surface.
    The internet is full of their tripe being quoted and presented as "scholarly works" whilst they deny being antisemetic what they produce is basically holocaust denial , support of those who are the leading lights in this perverse presentation of the proven historical record and the on going attempt to do rehab. on Hitler's Germany.
    I would not give them time of day, no Drew you were not being thick.
    Don't get me started - that crew just make me so disgusted.

    IHR DRIVEL - removed.
    And quite rightly so.

    The Holocaust from Channel4.com

    These are the people who have to be faced down - "Dr". Frederick Toben who runs "The Adalaide Institute" was recently arrested and relaesed on bail -German seeking his being deported to them for Holocaust Denial.
    The "Institute" which he runs is in fact his front room / office - self appointed "experts" like him who have brought telling lies to a new level and art form are the same people wne to Irran to take part in a conference which concluded that the Holcoaust never took place.
    Deep disgust is all I feel that and a great degree of anger for the dead whom these people effectively kill again in the name of "free speech".
    Free speech is fine but when your arguement is comprehensively destroyed time and time again it is time to question the motives of those who persist with it.
     
  12. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique

    IHR DRIVEL - removed.

    Good call, Adam.
     
  13. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Up to a point they are but the mask always slips "Soviet Jews" , the soundbites are always there and their true colours are never far below the surface.
    Agreed, the trouble is the point which they're clever up to is the gaps in anyone reading it's understanding. Nearly the entire site (among others) is devoted to catching the unwary and planting seeds of doubt.
    I, and I'm sure the rest of us, am entirely uninterested in anyone posting something from there with no other comment, it would inevitably lead to the usual effort to stir up familiar 'arguments' (as is their standard aim).
    Sadly this is one darker area in which the interweb's proved very handy for propaganda purposes.
     
  14. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Adam,

    I must say, very well dealt with that man!

    I could not agree more about the internet proving handy for these kind of persons propoganda.

    Regards
    Tom
     
  15. James S

    James S Very Senior Member

    Von Poop
    Agreed, the trouble is the point which they're clever up to is the gaps in anyone reading it's understanding.
    It is what they exist for , they count on catching the people looking for information - trouble is there seems to be a number of people who almost seek or look for soewm sort of "conspiracy theory" in everything - their lives are not complete without it and it is the less aware they are aiming for.
    What sickened me most is that these charlatans will provide " education packs" to teachers.
    Faurission in particular trades on soundbites and these you see repeated time and time again - the whole issue just makes me sick and not a little angry.
     
  16. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Provided we keep a tight watch here and don't allow this Nazi-Wannabe bovine faecal matter to invade this forum, together with the usual ignorant videogamer pricks whose only reading of the subject is the games blurb, all will be well. We count on our esteemed Moderrators to keep an eye or two on that.
     
  17. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    One of the greatest shames about the History of WW2 is that the study of the Great Patriiotic War/Ostfront is bedevilled with people like this who have a politically motivated/revisionist agenda and use every opportunity to try and subvert the path of the truth. Add to this the stereotypes about the combatants and the attitude of some westerners towards the old Soviet Union and one can begin to understand why Eastern Front threads can and do end up in rows and frustrating discussions.

    We have done, can and will do all we can to ensure that this sort of thing doesnt happen.
     

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