Royal Sussex Regiment- Service record

Discussion in 'Service Records' started by Scott wood, Sep 14, 2021.

  1. Scott wood

    Scott wood Junior Member

    Hello,

    Was hoping someone maybe able to help. Recently got a service record back for a family member so I am busy piecing together where he went, it has been brilliant to be able to see when he would have transfered into the Royal Sussex Regiment from the RAC but after that there is no information as to what battalion he would have gone to (please see picture attached from service record).

    One of the documents I received shows that he served in the Middle East and NA which I assume is North Africa. The dates Tie in perfectly to his pay book which is held within the family (discharge certificate from pay book attached).

    My questions are can I have an educated guess as to what battalion he would have seen service with?

    And secondly his pay book states North Africa, Italy and Sicily but his service records just says Middle East and North Africa. Which one is to be believed?

    Any help will be gladly appreciated.

    Many thanks

    Scott
     

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  2. Blutto

    Blutto Plane Mad

    One observation, he re-enlisted and therefore was not transferred from the RAC (service was from 1919-1926 as shown in your first document) .
     
  3. Charley Fortnum

    Charley Fortnum Dreaming of Red Eagles

    Hello, Scott.

    Definitely some inconsistencies there (why no Italy Star?).

    I know it's tedious, but if you can upload images of the full documents you have (not just extracts), it's odds on that we can get to the bottom of this one.

    There are almost always contextual clues that rule possibilities in and out.
     
  4. Scott wood

    Scott wood Junior Member

    Thank you for your reply.

    I was totally unaware of his previous military service until I received his service records. Apparently he served in the 8th Hussars from 1919 to 1935, regular and territorial.

    Scott
     
  5. Scott wood

    Scott wood Junior Member

    Thank you for your reply, there definetly seems to be some inconsistencies. I have attached the full pages for you.

    Thank you again for the reply.
     

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  6. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    Have you got his B103, Service and Casualty form? Usually provides more information.

    From Ancestry - no other info I'm afraid.
    Name: Tw Andrews
    Birth Date: 7 Sep 1900
    Service Number: 7944728
    Rank: Army Other Ranks, Discharges for 1939-1971
    Additional Regiment: R SUSSEX
    Reference Number: ADH000596430

    About UK, Military Discharge Indexes, 1920-1971

    Within These Records

    These lists comprise the names and service numbers of those who were discharged from the armed forces after 1920, and born before 1901. Details given for over 300,000 individuals found within this collection may include (where available):



    • Initial and Surname
    • Date of Birth
    • Their Service
    • Service Number
    • Ministry of Defence Reference Number
     
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  7. minden1759

    minden1759 Senior Member

    If he was in Italy with the R SUSSEX, and he definitely has the 8th Army Clasp, then I would place him in 4 Indian Division as part of 1st Battalion Royal Sussex Regiment.

    That would place him at the Second and Third Battles of Cassino.

    Regards

    Frank
     
  8. Scott wood

    Scott wood Junior Member

    Hello,

    Unfortunately not, there wasn't a huge amount delivered in his service records. The first page was all the information regarding him such as address and previous service and then it was the two pages I have posted. We also got documents relating to us previous service but they are also fairly brief.

    Thank you for looking on ancestry for me.

    Scott
     
  9. Scott wood

    Scott wood Junior Member

    Hello,

    Thank you for the reply. That is what I was thinking but wasn't too sure on the dates and whether they seemed to match up.

    Scott
     
  10. Charley Fortnum

    Charley Fortnum Dreaming of Red Eagles

    This is clearly what we need.

    Scott wood do you have this?
     
  11. minden1759

    minden1759 Senior Member

    Scott.

    If he was in 1 R SUSSEX then he did well to survive the brutality that the Battalion endured up on Snakeshead Ridge during the Second Battle. The Rifle Companies were decimated over two nights but, given his age, I suspect that he was in either Support Company or Headquarters Company. Those Companies supported the Rifle Companies with extra firepower or administrative tasks so were less likely to be killed in direct assaults on the German positions on Point 593 and 569.

    It was a grim few days for 1 R SUSSEX.

    Regards

    Frank
     
  12. Scott wood

    Scott wood Junior Member

    Hello,

    Unfortunately it wasn't included in the service records I received. I take it will be quite hard without it.

    Many thanks

    Scott
     
  13. Dave76

    Dave76 New Member

    Scott
    I am guessing the pay book and service records have different definitions of service locations. My soldier's history closely mirrors yours in that they both entered NA (North Africa) in August 1943 from the ME (Middle East), both received the Africa Star, yet the eligibility for the medal end in May 1943 so why did they get it? Both then served in NA until 1945, clearly yours did serve in Italy and mine was awarded the Italy Star, listed in his Certificate of Service book although it contains no mention of Italy other than the eligibility for the medal. Did NA as a service location include Italy? I wonder if the omission of the Italy Star for your soldier is just an oversight? So many questions, so many unknowns.
    David
     

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