royal navy landing craft crews on LCIS at sword beach queen red

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  1. wb1945

    wb1945 Member

    Please excuse me if I have not posted this in the correct forum, I have just registered as a member today.

    I believe that my father William Bennett was the RN signalman on board LCIS 518. Although he was reluctant to relate his experiences on DDay, he did mention that he was with the flotilla commander, possibly Jack Deslandes, and that several crew mates had been killed during the landing. I am trying to piece together what little he spoke about, which was mainly the training prior to the invasion so that I can pass the information on to his Grandsons.

    Is there any way to confirm the names of the navy personnel aboard LCIS 518 ?
     
  2. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Re member

    Whilst waiting for the D Day, beach, movement experts to pick up on this thread have you tried to search the site? if you type in sword beach queen red there are a number of threads that may (or may not) have an answer to your question.

    Good hunting
    TD

    You may also need to view the section

    Trux 21st Army Group | WW2Talk, which covers most if not all the different activities & units etc involved in D Day
     
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  3. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

    Lt. Cdr. John Ashby Deslandes was in command of L.C.I.(S) 518 (284) and 201st Flotilla . 518 landed men of 45 R.M. Commando on Queen Red, Sword Beach at 0910hr. (H+105)

    Strangely our second wave found that enemy fire on the beach had not slackened. Touching down at 0910 the ramp crew in 518, the leader Lieut.- Commander Jack Deslandes' craft, were beheaded by a shell while mortar bombs set off ammunition abaft the bridge and killed sailors and Commandos.

    Rupert Curtis 'Chronicles of D-Day'

    518 also went to assitance of 509 which had struck a mine and was sinking. The crew of 509 transferred aboard 518.
     
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  4. DannyM

    DannyM Member

    Hi,
    There were five Naval Ratings killed and 3 wounded on LCI(S) 518. At the same time five Commandos were killed and 6 wounded.

    Regards

    Danny
     
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  5. wb1945

    wb1945 Member

    Many thanks to all who replied, the information you have provided is consistent with what I remember of my father's recollections.
    One of his stories was that as the signalman, he was instructed to take his leave at the same time as the commander during the time that the training exercises for dday were taking place.
     
  6. timuk

    timuk Well-Known Member

    From Royal Navy casualties, killed and died, June 1944

    6 June 1944
    LCI(S).518, Normandy invasion, operation Overlord

    DOOLEY, Charles S, Electrical Mechanic, D/MX 105715, MPK
    GILES, Cecil N, Able Seaman, P/JX 389099, killed
    JONES, Kenneth, Able Seaman, D/SSX 29498, killed
    MILNE, Louis E, Act/Able Seaman, D/JX 4200025, killed
    MORRIS, James, Able Seaman, P/JX 386550, killed

    Tim
     
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  7. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

    L.C.I. (S) 518 returned to the UK on D+4. The crew from 509 remained onboard to replace the men killed on 518.
     
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  8. ddaycolin

    ddaycolin Member

    Hi to all participants and WB 1945.
    What an interesting discussion!

    I have a lot of information on 201 Flotilla that I would be more than happy to share with you.
    I was in touch indirectly with Jack Deslandes in about 1997. This was through the Sec Gen of the
    LCI(s) Association, Norman Fitzsimon (LCI(s) 516). I attended one of their meetings in 1998 and spoke to quite a few LCI(s) officers. The aim of this encounter was to tell the detailed story of 201 Flotilla and the Commandos from 45 RM
    and 3 Commando who landed from the LCI(s). And Flotillas 200 and 202. I also corresponded with Les Jordan (Cox'n 530) and he sent me a wealth of information he had compiled with his parallel LCI(s) association and he put me in contact with members of the LCI(s) Flotillas.

    I also contacted and corresponded or spoke with Commandos who sailed with 201 Flotilla (idem for 200 and 202 Flotilla).
    I met Tommy Treacher at a Commando association reunion in 1998 and have IWM audio copies of his and other interviews.I transcribed most of Tommy's interview.

    I have very high quality copies of the film of 201 flotilla landing at La Brèche, filmed by Sgt Ian Grant from 528. One frame from this film possibly shows the moment that a shell burst burst over 518 causing all the casualties. With LCI(s) officers and men of 201 and a number of commandos we endeavoured to work out the exact landing order of 201 which is now fairly complete. There is much detail in this film that I am certain could be uncovered thanks to the observational skills of ww2talk contributors.

    As regards LCI(s) 518, I corresponded for several years with Peter Musgrave who was 1st Lieutenant on 518. He had a camera with him. Just before touchdown he was below deck operating 518's radar. He informed Deslandes that 518 was about to touch down. Deslandes politely informed him that he was aware of that. Just then, while Peter was coming up on deck, the shell burst overhead. (full story another time) and that put paid to any photos. Peter did however take quite a few photos of LCI(s) at sea before and after DDay. He kindly lent me the negatives so I made good copies. There is a photo of HMS Swift sinking.

    I did recently discuss with Danny the idea of 'serializing' AFPU film, sequence by sequence, frame by frame and then posting the results. Danny and I already did some of this while working on the 'D Day as it happens' documentary. There is so much that could be discovered in this way. I knew 5 AFPU cameramen and photographers and corresponded with them. George Laws, Desmond O'Neill, Peter Handford, Ernest Walter and Dick Leatherbarrow. I used to send them stills from their films and they would add information.

    So there you are. I now have a bit more time on my hands having retired today!

    Best, Colin
     
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  9. ddaycolin

    ddaycolin Member

    Hi,

    Here is the complete list of the officers and men of LCI(s) 518 compiled by Les Jordan (cox'n LCI(s) 530) and sent to me by Les in 1998 or thereabouts. Colin
    LCIS 518 list.jpg LCIS 518 list.jpg
     
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  10. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

    Prior to his commission, Ordinary Seaman DJX 269360 J. A. Deslandes survived the sinking of H.M.S. Prince of Wales on the 10th December 1941.
     
  11. ddaycolin

    ddaycolin Member

    For WB1945,
    I've posted the complete list of the officers and men of LCI(s) 518 (27 in all)
    I mentioned that I have good copies of all the photos taken by 1st Lt Peter Musgrave of LCI(s) 518.
    Would you have a photo of your father that you could post?
    There is a photo of the combined crews of 518 and 509 so your father could be on it.
    There are other photos of 518 crew members that could be used for identification.
    Best
    Colin
     
  12. ddaycolin

    ddaycolin Member

    Here is the photo of the combined crews of 518 & 509 along with the caption by 1st Lieutenant Peter Musgrave.
    Jack Deslandes in the centre. Signalman William Bennett should be in the photo.
     

    Attached Files:

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  13. wb1945

    wb1945 Member

    Dear Guy,

    Sorry for the delay in replying, I have not been online for two weeks.
    I cannot thank you enough for providing this photograph.
    My Dad, William Bennett is in the front row at the extreme left side.
    I did not know that this photograph even existed.
    Once again my sincere thanks,

    William Bennett Junior
     
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  14. wb1945

    wb1945 Member

    Dear Colin ,

    Sorry for previous post, I failed to notice that the information was from yourself.
    My sincere thanks to you.
    I am 100% certain that my father is at the extreme left hand side of the front row.
    Unfortunately I have no photos from that period, the earliest would be in the mid 1950's, I will try to find one and post it if you wish.
    With regard to the crew list I see that Bennett E is listed as the Flotilla Signalman, but this should be Bennett W, Service Number JX340877.
    My father did speak of Deslandes as the Commander of that flotilla and of having to take his leave at the same time during training.
    I have the original of his Service Record and Signal History Sheet Examination Records if they would be of interest to you.
    Once again my thanks, I will organise all the information I have obtained on this site and give copies to his two Grandsons.
    You have certainly filled in alot of gaps in my knowledge because my Dad was very reluctant to discuss the events of D Day, he only briefly mentioned the loss of his shipmates. It obviously stayed with him for a long time, and now I know why.
    He was a few months short of his 20th birthday on D Day, fortunately for me he survived to see the 60th anniverary commemoration and passed away in 2008 aged 84.

    My warmest regards, William Bennett Jnr
     
  15. wb1945

    wb1945 Member

    To All Members who have contributed to my research into the history of William Bennett and LCIS 518 I send you my warmest good wishes.
    I have almost everything I need to pass on to his Grandsons.
    One last request, I remember at one time on this site seeing a document which was essentially a log of LCIS 518 from the approach to Sword Beach to the eventual return to England 4 days later. If anyone could point me to that document, that would be great.

    Thank you all

    William Bnenett Jnr
     
  16. Trackfrower

    Trackfrower Member

    Can you produce this information for any landing craft?
    My late step-father was landing french Commandos.
    Had got it down to 2 boats.
    Try LCI 523 and 527.

    Lawrence
     
  17. Hello Lawrence,

    Telling us your late stepfather's full name, rank etc. and any additional information you have on him or his craft, or the troops he carried, would be useful in order to find out more.

    By the way, did you see the response to your question back in 2014 here: http://ww2talk.com/index.php?posts/641718/ ?

    Michel
     
  18. Trackfrower

    Trackfrower Member

    Well spotted.

    The 1er Battaillon de Fusiliers Marins Commandos (1er BFMC) was carried by LCI(S) 527 (LTIN 190) and 523 (LTIN 191), both of 201 LCI(S) Flotilla.
    LCI(S) 527 was commanded by Tempy. Lt. Charles Frederick CRAVEN, R.N.V.R. (seniority 11.6.43) and carried No.1 Troop.
    LCI(S) 523 was commanded by Tempy. Sub-Lt. John William Henry "Jack" BERRY, R.N.V.R. (seniority 1.7.43) and carried No.8 Troop.
    HQ and K-Guns Sections were split between the two craft.

    His name was Richard Ward. I unfortunately never met him.

    Lawrence
     

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