Royal Engineers Italy-- Spr. Roberts killed by 'friendly' bomb?

Discussion in 'Royal Engineers' started by ejb, Dec 6, 2012.

  1. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce Patron

    Excellent work Andy. Well done.

    ejb-I am so pleased that your request for information on this forum has resulted in a great find by Andy.
    The chances of finding detailed information like this is pretty rare. I guess it was just waiting for someone to find it :)
    This is what the forum is all about-helping each other when we hit a brick wall. Fantastic stuff.

    Lesley
     
  2. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Andy excellent work well done.
     
  3. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Peter Clare has VMed me about a Wellington that crashed that day but it's from 104 Sqn.
    War Diary posted by Andy says 40 Sqn.

    Anyone care to look into it more ?
     
  4. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Excellent detective work by all those involved, especially to Andy.

    Great result.

    Regards
    Tom
     
  5. Peter Clare

    Peter Clare Very Senior Member

    Peter Clare has VMed me about a Wellington that crashed that day but it's from 104 Sqn.
    War Diary posted by Andy says 40 Sqn.


    A possibility......

    17-18 February 1944

    40 Squadron
    Wellington X HE237

    Place. Genzano - Velletri

    Crashed into a house immediately after take-off. A soldier and several civilians were also killed. Three bombs exploded, the remaining being defused by Armaments Officer F/O. Carruthers. Only the rear gunner of the aircraft survived the crash and subsequent fire.

    Crew.
    F/O. K W. Lyon RAAF +
    F/S. S E P. Pillinger +
    Sgt. K R. Reader +
    Sgt. D H. Knight +
    Sgt. F. Jones RAAF Injured.

    Source - Sweeping The Skies - D. Gunby
     
  6. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    It certainly fits Peter !
     
  7. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    As I noted in my posting #6 - the unit was stationed NEAR Bari and it had to be an accidental death - so it was a "friendly " bomber and not a friendly bomb which caused the death of this chap - Foggia is not too far away from Bari...

    Cheers
     
  8. Mike L

    Mike L Very Senior Member

    Superb result!
    Chalk up another outstanding success for WW2Talk.
    Well done Drew.
     
  9. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Cheers chaps but I only looked in the file. Anyone having any joy trying to ID the exact location? I'm getting places all over Italy using the clues available.
     
  10. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Drew -
    Foggia was a very big airport in WW2 - and the USAAF would bomb the oilfields of Ploesti from there - the RAF were also involved also and one time we watched a squadron of Liberators return and shielding a damaged bomber - suddenly it reared up and hit two more and all three fell to the ground - we were stationed at Lucera- just a few miles north of Foggia at that time and could do nothing but mark the area - many returning aircraft were lost in the area
    Cheers
     
  11. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Drew

    see my article - "on to Italy " in the BBC link below - as it mentioned that incident
    of the three bombers crashing near Foggia

    Cheers
     
  12. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce Patron

  13. Steve Mac

    Steve Mac Very Senior Member

  14. Varasc

    Varasc Senior Member

    Hi all, fascinating thread and superb research. Chapeau!

    Just as a very little add... During the research for my book, concerning a crashed Vickers Wellington Mk X (LN466, 142 Squadron) I bought this interesting book by Maurice G. Lihou, "Out of the Italian Night". It also concerns Foggia and the Whimpy's operations.
    Kind regards,

    Marco
     
  15. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Thanks all but still no closer to ID'ing where the sketch map is :unsure:
     
  16. idler

    idler GeneralList

    154 Corso Giuseppi Garibaldi, Foggia gets a hit (excuse the turn of phrase) in GoogleMaps. Clearly a lot's changed since the war, but the town hall (municipio?) is only a few hundred yards up the road.
     
  17. Steve Mac

    Steve Mac Very Senior Member

    Hello Peter,

    Have you got better particulars on where this Wellington crashed?


    Wellington LN334 A (Apple)
    • AUS 414634 F/Sgt (Pilot) Anderson, Andrew Charles.
    • AUS 426027 Sgt (Nav) Bingham, Kevin Joffre.
    • 1017190 Sgt W Op/AG Morgan, Hubert James.
    • 1481014 Sgt B/Aimer Scott, Robert Samuel.
    • 1602883 Sgt AG Betteridge, Eric Edward.
    On the 17th Feb 1944, returning from Porto San Stafano, when 2 miles from Foggia Mains Airstrip they lost control and dived into the ground. They were buried in Foggia Cemetery and at war's end they were re-buried in Bari War Cemetery - Plot 15. Row A. Common Grave 28-32.

    Wellington's generally had a crew of six and only five death's reported here.

    Best,

    Steve.
     
  18. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Casualties Bari Cemetery 17/2/44

    Geoff's Search Engine


    001 Link BAYLISS A 1239957 40 SQDN 17/02/1944 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
    002 Link KEIGHLEY JC 134588 40 SQDN 17/02/1944 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
    003 Link KNIGHT DH 1458237 40 SQDN 17/02/1944 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
    004 Link PILLINGER SEP 1316290 40 SQDN 17/02/1944 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
    005 Link READER KR 1393375 40 SQDN 17/02/1944 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
    006 Link SAYER ES 1390342 40 SQDN 17/02/1944 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE


    LYON, KENNETH WILLIAM

    Rank:
    Flying Officer
    Service No:
    415478
    Date of Death:
    17/02/1944
    Age:
    27
    Regiment/Service:
    Royal Australian Air Force
    Grave Reference
    X. B. 16.
    Cemetery
    BARI WAR CEMETERY
    Additional Information:
    Son of James and Flora Charlotte Lyon; husband of Sadie Robinson Lyon, of Mt. Hawthorn, Western Australia.

    001 BETTERIDGE EE 1602883 104 SQDN 17/02/1944 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
    002 MORGAN HJ 1317190 104 SQDN 17/02/1944 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
    003 SCOTT RS 1481014 104 SQDN 17/02/1944 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
     
  19. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Steve that's the one I mentioned Peter VMed me about, see post #23.
    Details are on my profile.
    As it not 40 sqn , as mentioned in war diary, we discounted it.
     
  20. Recce_Mitch

    Recce_Mitch Very Senior Member

    Excellent work Andy. Well done.


    Cheers
    Paul
     

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