Hi All, I'm in need of a bit of help! I know I've seen it somewhere on the web before, but I've been unable to track it down again! I'm currently wading through the war diaries of the 126th Field Regiment at the moment and I can't rememeber the various differences between let say seeing in the text "engaging a "M" target" or a "U" target "V" target etc etc. I know they represent differnet types of troop or armour concentrations etc but not which is which. Thanking you in advance, Chris
Chris "M" - Mike target - concentration of all guns of one Regt onto one target. "U" - Uncle target - concentration of fire by guns of whole division onto one target. "V" - Victor target - concentration of fire by guns of whole Corps onto one target. "Y" - Yoke target - target engaged by guns of an AGRA. There is also L N P Q R S W targets. Rob D.
Hi Rob D Can you tell me what P relates to. Got a load designated P in copies of my Dad's unit for Op Veritable. Would be another mystery solved. Cheers - Rob M PS - Nice to see all these red and blue badges together.
Hi Rob There are 2 for "P" targets. 1) "P" - Bty targets - P, Q, R, S were used depending on the seniority of the Bty within the Regt. 2) "P" - Patten target - combined fire of four Field, two Med, one Heavy Regt. There is also a Pin-Point target and a Planned target, but I think names were used for these. Rob D
Hi Rob There are 2 for "P" targets. 1) "P" - Bty targets - P, Q, R, S were used depending on the seniority of the Bty within the Regt. 2) "P" - Patten target - combined fire of four Field, two Med, one Heavy Regt. There is also a Pin-Point target and a Planned target, but I think names were used for these. Rob D As I mentioned, this was during Op Veritable with the Regiment using the Land Mattress Rockets. Whilst it took place, the wd entries started at Target P.1 and got as high as Target P.132. Copy shown below of one of the pages:-
Rob, Could 1 be the first salvo of a P catergory mission with a total of 132 fire missions of the P catergory fired? Andy
They are all individual targets, so I would assume so. I will look up the wd again tomorrow to see if there is a list of map refs in the appendicies. Seem to recall seeing one along the way, but don't have a copy.
Just reread the Wd and there were 132 pre-identified targets onto which the FOO could call down a salvo. They were not used in numerical order, but whenever a target was requested. They were ordered to fire salvos starting with Operation Veritable (from Feb 8, 45), then Op. Blockbuster (from 24 Feb, 45) and finally Op. Plunder in support of 51 (H) Division (from 21 March, 45).
Rob M Look at my post 4 on the Veritable + 65yrs thread. The Fire-Plan overprint gives targets P,Q,R. Veritable was a set Fire-Plan,with each Corps Arty allotted there own targets and Plan. Each Corps Arty (5 in total) were issuded with a code "letter" for targets. Dads Regt with 30Corps had "V" target No's http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/all-anniversaries/24078-operation-veritable-65-years.html Rob D
Just to expand on this, there was in point of fact a W Target. William Targets were engaged by the guns of an entire Field Army. You don't hear much about them, probably because they were fairly rare and not required too often. As a slightly of period story, during the Korean War an OP observed a small party of chinese soldiers digging a trench and called for fire from his battery onto them. He was therefore somewhat surprised to hear the Command Post repeat the order back but having upgraded it to a Yankee (formerly Yoke) target. Apparently there was a general nearby who wanted to observe such a fire mission. Anyway, the mission was fired and low and behold the chinese soldiers walked away unscathed, apart presumably for their underpants!!! Phil
Hi Rob There are 2 for "P" targets. 1) "P" - Bty targets - P, Q, R, S were used depending on the seniority of the Bty within the Regt. 2) "P" - Patten target - combined fire of four Field, two Med, one Heavy Regt. There is also a Pin-Point target and a Planned target, but I think names were used for these. Rob D Rob I haven't come across Patten Targets before, can you let me know the provenance of this term? Thanks Phil
Might that have been a 'pattern' target? There's also the Blackbird that was never resolved - have you heard of that one, Phil?
Might that have been a 'pattern' target? There's also the Blackbird that was never resolved - have you heard of that one, Phil? Hi Idler No, nevr come across a Blackbird, it isn't in any of the WW2 manuals and neither is it mentioned in Pedersons Book on lessons learned from the war. I'll investigatae frtehr and see if I can come up with anything. Phil
Rob I haven't come across Patten Targets before, can you let me know the provenance of this term? Thanks Phil The Pattern (not Patten as previously stated) Target was used by 58 Div Arty in Italy. It doesn't seem to have been adopted by anyone else. Phil
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