Rosasco Italy

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  1. Sarita Porter

    Sarita Porter Member

    Hello,

    My Father Gunner Albert Frank Myhill (1557752) R.A. was POW in Italy and we are hoping to do dome research, what we know from original documents and other records that he kept are as follows, a letter home addressed from P.G Campo 59
    P.M. 3300 dated 1.10.1942 , also Campo 146 Mortara, Pavia 3100, we know he was looked after by the villagers in a village named Rosasco and from an old note book we have some names and addresses of the rice girls and a group photo of them, also show on a number of Casualty Lists, 715, 779, and 1774 it looks like he finished up in Stalag 4f Hartmansdorf Chemnitz before his was liberated.
    He served with the R.Artillery 65th Anti Tank took prisoner in the Western Desert no knowledge of date or place, Is there anyone who can help fill some gaps or point us in the direction of places to research, any help would be most appreciated

    Sarita (Daughter)
     
  2. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Re member

    Hi Sarita

    First & foremost you really need to obtain his service records and they are ONLY available from the MOD - link - Request records of deceased service personnel once you have these the blanks can be filled in from various members of the forum

    TD
     
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  3. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    Hope the following helps:

    Royal Artillery attestation
    155772 Myhill, Albert Frank
    See attached


    Your father is mentioned on three casualty lists:
    Expeditionary Forces/Middle East/Western Desert/Missing
    155772 Myhill Gnr AF 65 A Tk Regt Date of casualty 1/12/41


    Casualy List No. 715 dated 8 January 1942
    Reported missing


    Casualy List No. 779 dated 24 March 1942
    Prisoner of War (Previously reported missing)


    Casualy List No. 1774 dated 5 June 1945
    Previously reported prisoner of war in German hands (Germany) now not prisoner of war


    POW details (not my area so sure someone else will assist to interpret for you)

    WO 392/11
    Camp No. 4F
    POW No. 275450
    Name. Myhill AF
    Rank. Gnr
    Army No. 155772
    Regt. RA
    RO No. 5

    First name(s) A. F.
    Last name Myhill
    Service number 1557752
    Rank Gunner
    Regiment Royal Artillery
    Year -
    Prison camp or ship Hartmansdorf Chemnitz
    Camp type STALAG
    Camp number 4F
    Camp location Hartmansdorf Chemnitz
    Country Great Britain
    Conflict World War 2
    Archive Royal Artillery (Field) Record Office, Foots Cray, Sidcup, Kent
    Record set Prisoners Of War 1715-1945
    Category Military, armed forces & conflict
    Subcategory Regimental & Service Records
    Collections from Great Britain, UK None


    WO 392/1
    Camp No. 4B
    POW No. 275450
    Name. Myhill AF
    Rank. Gnr
    Army No. 155772
    Regt. RA
    RO No. 5


    WO 392/21
    Camp No. 146
    POW No. 275450
    Name. Myhill AF
    Rank. Gnr
    Army No. 155772
    Regt. RA
    RO No. 5


    Note: POW records also mention 7602685 Myhill RE of the REME.

    https://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/results?sourcecategory=armed+forces+%26+conflict&soldiernumber=1557752&sourcecountry=great+britain
     
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  4. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

  5. Sarita Porter

    Sarita Porter Member

    Thank you all for your contributions, it’s all very fascinating, we have the mod form to apply for his service record, hopefully as suggested this will open up a few more avenues, we hope to visit Rosasco and maybe tread in some of his footprints!
    Forever Grateful
    Sarita
     
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  6. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Re member

  7. vitellino

    vitellino Senior Member

    Hello Sarita,

    Just a bit of info. about PG 146 Mortara. It wasn't a camp in the traditional sense, but consisted of a large number of sub-camps which were all on working farms, hence the picture of the rice girls. Rosasco was one of these sub - camps, no. 83. I will check it out in Italian sources and get back to you.The 3100 Pavia was the postal address or all the sub-camps..

    Vitellino
     
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  8. vitellino

    vitellino Senior Member

    Just discovered the original document stating that PG 146 was opened in March 1943
     
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  9. Sarita Porter

    Sarita Porter Member

  10. Sarita Porter

    Sarita Porter Member

    Many thanks for the info and your time , Much appreciated
     
  11. Sarita Porter

    Sarita Porter Member

    Many thanks for your post, we look forward very much to hear from you with more info that you might find, most appreciated
     
  12. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Re member

    Doesnt seem they are related except by surname

    UK, Army Roll of Honour, 1939-1945
    Name: Albert Myhill
    Given Initials: A E
    Rank: Serjeant
    Death Date: 6 Jun 1944
    Number: 1871107
    Birth Place: Sheffield
    Residence: Swansea

    Regiment at Enlistment: Royal Engineers
    Branch at Enlistment: Other Corps
    Theatre of War: Western Europe Campaign, 1944/45
    Regiment at Death: Royal Engineers
    Branch at Death: Other Corps


    I assume this is your father
    England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1916-2007
    Name: Frank L Myhill
    Registration Date: 1918
    Registration district: Smallburgh
    Inferred County: Norfolk
    Re-registration Year: 1918
    Mother's Maiden Name: Arnold
    Volume Number: 4b
    Page Number: 76

    TD
     
  13. Sarita Porter

    Sarita Porter Member

    Hello,

    Dad was born in March 1920 and Married Joyce Hammond of Bury St Edmunds
    where they met and lived all their lives. We know he was stationed in Bury with the RA

    Thanks
     
  14. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Re member

    Name: Albert F Myhill
    Registration Date: 1920
    Registration district: Aylsham
    Inferred County: Norfolk
    Re-registration Year: 1920
    Mother's Maiden Name: Savery
    Volume Number: 4b
    Page Number: 167

    TD
     
  15. Sarita Porter

    Sarita Porter Member

    Albert had three brothers, William, Charlie, himself and Ralph
     
  16. vitellino

    vitellino Senior Member

    Hello Sarita,

    I haven't found any further information on PG 146/83 but on another thread on this forum member Pietro the Great helped track down a farm and the family associated with it. I have sent him a private message hoping he will join in this thread as I am sue he could help you. He lives in the Mortara area and is English is excellent. If he doesn't reply to the message he has a website so you could contact him through that:

    Gruppo Ricercatori Aerei Caduti Piacenza


    Vitellino
     
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  17. Pierothegreat

    Pierothegreat Member

    Here I am and at your service. I am leaving on vacation tomorrow so it should great as I will have more time to go through the story. The real keeper of knowledge about the PG146 is Professor Zucca who recently had to go through surgery and is now recovering hence I am a little hesitant to disturb him but I ll find my way.
     
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  18. Sarita Porter

    Sarita Porter Member

    Hello Piero,
    Many thanks for your post and kind offer to help in the research of my dads time in Italy,
    we are visiting Rosasco late September and it would be wonderful to be able to visit with
    some valuable additional knowledge. Can we help with some more details please let us
     
  19. Pierothegreat

    Pierothegreat Member

    I have tried to contact Professor Zucca but without success and I admit a degree of concern. Let stand wait hopefully.What you should know is that he has made a book about the Camp of Mortara and it's satellites. I am starting to think we should translate the book and make it available. Prof Zucca's mother was one of the many locals who helped to save some South African prisoners.There is an incredible story related to what happened later and I am sure you would be interested to hear. Anyway almost all the satellites of Mortara were in essence farms where soldier helping due to the scarcity of young working force as on the Frontline. For what I am aware they did not have a bad life as they found their way with the local farmers.Let me copy a picture here from Prof Zucca book.In the case of Rosasco which a sleepy village in the country side of Lomellina I am sure it was a farm.Monday I am back home and I will check the book for more info.In the meanwhile I hope to hear from Giuseppe soon.
     

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  20. Pierothegreat

    Pierothegreat Member

    I was able to contact Professor Zucca.He is still suffering the post surgical trauma but hopefully shortly he should be back on track and helping us on your research.So stay tuned as soon as possible air will come back.Should you have any pictures or details,names etc please send that I can start to check . thanks
     

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