RESOLVED Not Commemorated on Headstone:Officer Cadet,P.H.Zielgler,2878151,4th Bn. Gordon Highlanders

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  1. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    I tracked down the Family grave to section F grave 57.
    It would appear that his name is not showing.
    CWGC confirmed it does state grave has a kerb stone but as you can see it is deeply buried if it does exist.
    CWGC are investigating
    Officer Cadet ZIEGLER, PETER HAGGETH
    Service Number 2878151

    Died 15/03/1940

    Aged 21

    4th Bn.
    Gordon Highlanders
    Buried at NORTHWOOD (HOLY TRINITY) CHURCHYARD

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  2. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    From an Ancestry tree:
    Name Peter Hoggett Ziegler
    Father August Ziegler
    Mother May Hoggett
    Birth 12/1918 Hendon Middlesex England
    Death 15/03/1940 Uxbridge Middlesex England

    UK, Army Roll of Honour, 1939-1945
    Name: Peter Ziegler
    Given Initials: P H
    Rank: Corporal
    Death Date: 15 Mar 1940
    Number: 2878151
    Birth Place: Middlesex
    Residence: London (not otherwise specified)
    Regiment at Enlistment: Gordon Highlanders
    Branch at Enlistment: Infantry
    Theatre of War: United Kingdom
    Regiment at Death: Gordon Highlanders
    Branch at Death: Infantry

    England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
    Name: Peter H Ziegler
    Death Age: 21
    Birth Date: abt 1919
    Registration Date: Mar 1940
    Registration district: Uxbridge
    Inferred County: Middlesex
    Volume: 3a
    Page: 246

    UK and Ireland, Find A Grave Index, 1300s-Current
    Name: Peter Haggeth Ziegler
    Birth Date: 1919
    Death Date: 15 Mar 1940
    Cemetery: Holy Trinity Churchyard
    Burial or Cremation Place: Northwood, London Borough of Hillingdon, Greater London, England
    Has Bio?: Y

    London, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-2003
    Name: Peter Haggett Ziegler
    Age: 21
    Record Type: Burial
    Birth Date: abt 1920
    Death Date: abt 1941
    Burial Date: 19 Mar 1941
    Burial Place: Holy Trinity, Northwood, Hillingdon, England
    Register Type: Parish Register
    [See below]

    England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
    Name: Peter Hoggett Ziegler
    Death Date: 15 Mar 1940
    Death Place: Middlesex, England
    Probate Date: 9 Jul 1940
    Probate Registry: London, England
    Note - Probate was paid to his father

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  3. KevinBattle

    KevinBattle Senior Member

    Looks like a correction to CWGC in respect of his middle name - HOGGETT (mothers maiden name) and not HAGGETH.
    Is there sufficient evidence or will they insist on Certificate?
    Grave Registration shows him as Officer Cadet at 166 OCTU
     
  4. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    The Church record shows Hoggett
     
  5. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    From CWGC

    This is just a brief email to notify you that the Regional Manager will be sending a team to investigate - most likely a gully will be dug around the kerb set to expose the casualties name. If this is not possible or the casualties name is still illegible then appropriate steps will be taken to install an appropriate commemorative marker.
     
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  6. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Trying to clear up the spelling of his middle name

    1891 England Census
    Name: May Hoggett
    Gender: Female
    Age: 5
    Relationship: Daughter
    Birth Year: 1886
    Father: John Hoggett
    Birth Place: Gateshead, Durham, England
    Civil Parish: Morpeth
    Residence Place: Morpeth, Morpeth, Northumberland, England
    Sub registration district: Morpeth
    ED, Institution or Vessel: 15
    Neighbors: View others on page
    Piece: 4255
    Folio: 59
    Household Members:
    Name Age
    John Hoggett 44
    Nellie S Hoggett 14
    Blanche Hoggett 12
    Eva R Hoggett 10
    Robert D Hoggett 9
    Norah D Hoggett 7
    May Hoggett 5

    England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
    Name: May Hoggett
    Registration Year: 1886
    Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
    Registration district: Gateshead
    Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
    Inferred County: Durham
    Volume: 10a
    Page: 240

    1911 England Census
    Name: August Ziegler
    Age in 1911: 37
    Estimated birth year: abt 1874
    Relation to Head: Head
    Gender: Male
    Birth Place: Bavaria, Germany
    Civil Parish: Sunderland
    Search Photos: Search for 'Sunderland' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
    County/Island: Durham
    Country: England
    Street address: 20 North Grove Sunderland
    Marital status: Married
    Occupation: Manager (mill Furnishing Trade) Tentila & Leather Delting Merchant
    Registration district: Sunderland
    Registration District Number: 555
    Sub-registration district: Sunderland North
    ED, institution, or vessel: 21
    Piece: 30233
    Household Members:
    Name Age
    August Ziegler 37
    May Ziegler 24
    Helen Elizabeth May Ziegler 1
    Blanche Hoggett 32
    Noral Dunoon Hoggett 26
    Mary Ann Adams 20


    So I guess after all that the spelling would be Hoggett in case the CWGC need it for a new stone
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  7. KevinBattle

    KevinBattle Senior Member

    small point, but could "tentila" be a mistranscription by Ancestry for "textile"? "Delting" possibly belting or dealer/ing? - not that it's important...
     
  8. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    I have advised CWGC re the spelling and await feedback
     
  9. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Kevin - I have given up trying to work out what Ancetsry's american cheap teenager transcribing staff try and say - apparently my father is now Lillian instead of William and was born in 1898 instead of 1918 :unsure:

    TD

    I should add that this transcription error only happens in the 1939 Register
     
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  10. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Reply from CWGC

    I can confirm that all of our records show Officer Cadet Ziegler's middle name as Haggeth. This includes documents provided by the military authorities at the time and family verification form.
     
  11. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    CWGC have now dug out the surrounding area and his name is now visible.

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