Researching Gt Uncle The Royal Scots Greys (2nd Dragoons) - cant find anything

Discussion in 'Service Records' started by mike331278, Oct 28, 2018.

  1. mike331278

    mike331278 Member

    Good evening, I have been researching for years and found no records of my great Uncle - Drummond Lindsay, born Edinburgh 16 May 1912, he died 1993 in East Kilbride.

    I was told from family in America that I manage to trace that Drummond survived the WW2 without any injuries. they sent me these photos, I still cant trace anything.

    I only recenty got a copy of his marriage, - he married in 1939 at Ibrox Church, I think is Tradeston, Glagow. It mentions he is a (Aircraft fitter) trooper Royal Scots Greys. presently at Dreghorn Barracks, Edinbugh.


    any help appreaciated. Thanks

    Michael Lindsay
     
  2. mike331278

    mike331278 Member

    Photos I received from related who live in Boston M..America
     
  3. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

  4. mike331278

    mike331278 Member

    I don't have any information? no army number etc
     
  5. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    you dont need his service number

    date of birth and death certificate will do
     
  6. mike331278

    mike331278 Member

    Thanks, R u able to see any of the photos I attached ? some of the photos are confusing like wearing differnt uniforms
     
  7. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    no photos attached
     
  8. mike331278

    mike331278 Member

    Photos embeded ??
     
  9. mike331278

    mike331278 Member

  10. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    ok they are there now
     
  11. gmyles

    gmyles Senior Member

    Hi

    The second last pic is of an officer in the RAF.

    There was a Douglas Drummond Lindsay (1040981) who joined the RAF as Sgt aircrew during WW2 and was commissioned as a pilot officer in August 1944 (177975).

    He was a navigator on Lancasters. He was also awarded a DFC in November 1944 whilst serving with 166 Sqn.

    RAF 166 Squadron

    According to FMP, he was born in 1921 and died in Newcastle in 1984.

    Hope this helps

    Gus
     
  12. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Hmmmmm - there is a family tree for him on Ancestry, but the details are very confusing??

    Drummond Lindsay
    1912–1993
    BIRTH 16 MAY 1912 • Edinburgh, Leith
    DEATH 19 JUN 1993 • East Kilbride, Lanarkshire, Scotland

    Fact Details
    1939 Dreghorn Barracks, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
    At time of marriage Drummond was a trooper in the Royal Scots Greys (Aircraft Fitter) The Royal Scots Greys (2nd Dragoons)

    I dont understand how if he is a Trooper in RSG he can also be an aircraft fitter ???

    One of the pictures above to me, shows him in US Naval uniform

    His service records are THE only way to go
    TD
     
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  13. mike331278

    mike331278 Member

    Hi Tricky, That info on Ancestry is mine, heres a part of his marriage cert. He had a sister who emigrated to Quebec on 1920's drummond.jpg then travelled and settled down in boston massachusetts
     
  14. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Have you applied for his service records in

    1. Royal Scots Greys
    2. Presumably the RAF as he is seen in RAF uniform and was an aircraft fitter accoring to the document you have posted

    TD
     
  15. mike331278

    mike331278 Member

    Thanks, Guess thats my only only options I have left as the trail has gone cold. Mike
     
  16. KevinBattle

    KevinBattle Senior Member

    12th September 1939 is only 9 days after War was declared, so for the banns to have been published, means he was intending to marry before War had been declared. Presumably he was an aircraft fitter (any aircraft factory near Glasgow at the time?) yet was already, within 9 days in the Army.
    I know that's what the Marriage info says, but seems strange that he was already in the Army so soon, and must have therefore enlisted prior to War being declared.
    Yet I'd expect an aircraft fitter to either be a reserved occupation as needing as many warplanes as possible, or for him to have joined the RAF when War declared....

    That's why we say you need his Service Records. With your cheque request ALL his records, pension etc, and you can tell them he appears to have been both in the Army and RAF during WW2 - unless all those photos are of different relatives.....
     
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  17. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    As ever if you are searching it is best to post all the info you have it saves forum members chasing their tails.
    We have some great researchers on here who are always willing to help
    All you photos are very confusing
    You need to bullet point what you have got and where you are stuck
     
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  18. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Hi,

    My two penneth is that the RSG and RAF chap are different people.

    The are 2 photos of him in Army uniform - one wearing a beret so likely a ”Tankie” - in both of which he wears an Africa Star with an 8th Army clasp. The Africa Star was instituted in July 1943. From service records on the forum I recall entitlement would be recorded on the service file some months after July 1943. There would then be a time lag before a ribbon and clasp would be issued.

    On that basis I’d say the 2 photos I’ve described would’ve been taken in early 1944 at the earliest so there would be insufficient time for RAF air crew training and promotion to commission rank by late 1944.

    Given his age it may be the case that he had pre war RSG service and was on the reserve at the outbreak of war working as an Aircraft Fitter and had been recalled when war was declared. I don’t think Reserve occupations came in so early in the War - there were still One million plus unemployed well into 1940.

    I don't know the answer but as RSG were part of Royal Armoured Corps will he have a tracer Card at Bovington Museum? Hopefully a Tankie member will know the answer.

    Steve
     
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  19. mike331278

    mike331278 Member

    I found an Royal Artillery attestation on Find my past, it shows Drummond Lindsay enlisting 28/05/1928 (T) Territorial R.Sigs 0/A 56 Service number 785508 and Transfer to Army reserve 17/03/1931 Para 207 T.A.R R: Tank Corps.
    There is no address, place of birth etc listed in this book for most or all the soilders, would that be because (T) Territorial

    Unsure if this could be Drummond but the dates are similar to his older brother John Robin Lindsay b.1910 enlisting into Scots Guards January 1928 Service number 2692574
     
  20. KevinBattle

    KevinBattle Senior Member

    There's little point in us chasing around to help you UNTIL you get his Service Record.
    Only then can we sort out which of the photos might be him and which are not.
    You say there is family in America, so that could be how the US sailor photo got mixed up, and there are likely to be photos of other relatives also mixed in.

    Let us know once you have his Service Records to post up and then we have people who can explain all the acronyms etc to clear the picture for you. It's too confused at the moment for us to be of much help.

    If you ant to solve your quest, that's the best way to go. The link above shows how to apply, otherwise all of us, you included, are likely just to be spinning wheels and going in circles with guesswork
     
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