Remembering Today 18/5/44 Stoker 1st Class:J.W.J.Harder,D/KX151835,H.M.M.L. 554. Royal Navy

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  1. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Stoker 1st Class HARDER, J W J
    Service Number D/KX 151835

    Died 18/05/1944

    Aged 20

    H.M.M.L. 554.
    Royal Navy

    Son of Wilfred and Edith Maud Harder, of Okehampton, Devon.


    INSCRIPTION
    OUR LOSS IS GREAT BUT WE HOPE IN HEAVEN TO MEET AGAIN THE ONE WE LOVED SO DEAR
    Casualty
    Buried at NAPLES WAR CEMETERY

    Location: Italy
    Number of casualties: 1190

    Cemetery/memorial reference: I. G. 1.
     
  2. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

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  3. timuk

    timuk Well-Known Member

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  4. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Re member

    UK, British Army and Navy Birth, Marriage and Death Records, 1730-1960
    Name: John William James Harder
    Event: Death
    Birth Date: 20 May 1923
    Birth Place: Okehampton, Devon
    Death Date: 18 May 1944
    Death Age: 20

    Says accidental drowning
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    Name: J. W. J. Harder
    Event: Death
    Birth Date: abt 1924
    Death Date: 18 May 1944
    Death Age: 20
    Death Place: Jachia
    Ship: GREGALE

    Says fell overboard
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    HMS Gregale, Malta - Coastal Forces of the Royal Navy - Wikipedia

    TD

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  5. timuk

    timuk Well-Known Member

    TD - Place of death should read Ischia (Gulf of Naples).
    Tim
     
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  6. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Re member

    The top image states that [Ischia]- the second set of details is down to the normal level of intelligence posessed by those employed by Ancestry to transcribe from the original

    In case you missed it - the recent permissible access to the 1939 Register on Ancestry, having been transcribed by them shows my father William now being called Lillian, and born not in 1918 but in 1878, these will be the only 2 revisions [in the 1939 register] and the last I will be making for Ancestry on this or in fact any other database they have
     
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  7. harkness

    harkness Well-Known Member

    As if to reinforce TD's point, I only found this record because Albert's surname had been correctly transcribed as Harder.

    1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
    15 Macey Terr,North Road , Okehampton M.B., Devon
    NAME DOB OCCUPATION
    Wilfred Horder 11 Oct 1896 Gas Main & Service Fitter
    Edith M Horder 18 Dec 1901 Unpadi Domestic Duties
    Sorry, this record is officially closed.
    Sorry, this record is officially closed.
    Sorry, this record is officially closed.
    Albert T Harder 16 Sep 1930 At School
    Sorry, this record is officially closed.

    Here's the original:

    Harder.jpg
     
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  8. timuk

    timuk Well-Known Member

    Sometimes wonder how you chaps cope. What with original mistakes by the enumerator compounded with transcription errors.
    Tim
     
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  9. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Re member

    From a test I did with Tony56, he checked my dads details via FMP and they had transcribed them correctly, - but thats not to say everyone transcription on FMP will be 100% correct.

    Its a part of the "so called fun" of finding someones details through the mists of time and error. Ancestry though I have say is becoming ridiculously error prone, and their latest software update - well theres not enough space, suffice to say yesterday I was looking for someone and in total I was told there was about 50 results, - great I thought thats narrowed it down nicely, BUT then when I open for example Family Trees (8 Records) how many family trees do I find........................
    absolutely effing zero and that happened with some of the other categories that said they had results - grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

    TD
     
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  10. Pat Atkins

    Pat Atkins Patron Patron

    I share your pain - to illustrate a big point with a little example, to track down my King's Own Scottish Borderers kin I now routinely look on Ancestry for King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry...
     
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