Remember remember the fifth of November Gunpowder, treason and plot. I see no reason why gunpowder,

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  1. toki2

    toki2 Junior Member

    A lot of people seem to believe that Halloween is an American import. The pagan festival of Samain (end of harvest) is believed to have been adapted by Christianity in Celtic countries to celebrate All Saints Eve or All Hallow's Eve (een in Scotland/ Ireland). The Eve of All Saints day was when the souls of the dead were believed to roam the earth and dressing up and generally partying was thought to scare them away. It has always been (and still is) popular in these countries and immigrants took this practice over the water. It was not until the early 20thc that it became nationwide in the USA. The British, in recent years have adopted 'trick or treat' and using hollowed out pumpkins instead of turnips (Scots call swedes turnips) My grandchildren go out guising round the neighbours and get sweets, toffee apples, nuts and tablet in return for telling a joke, reciting a poem or singing a song. It is an ancient festival that pre-dates Guy Fawkes although nowadays they both seem more jumbled up together.
     
  2. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    These things all become mixed up. My eldest daughter here in Flanders has been out with burning torches tonight. Something to do with the feest of Sint Maarten.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Martin%27s_Day

    I suspect that much of western Europe has similar pre-Christian bonfire traditions connected with evil spirits and winter. The Sussex bonfires pre-date Guido Fawkes as well.

    I do like a good bonfire !
     
  3. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Couldn't agree more, Rich. The fire is the best bit.
    Again, Lewes holds the crown on that score for me. Never seen a pile of wood so large blaze away so quickly.
     
  4. KevinBattle

    KevinBattle Senior Member

    Battle Abbey is dedicated to St Martins and Battle was granted the right to a St Martin Mass fair which ran from about 10 to 22 November.
    The fair has long since ceased.but just thought you'd like to learn something new.... :rolleyes:
     
  5. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    oh yes
     
  6. Lofty1

    Lofty1 Senior Member

    We gave it a fair shot at our club site, a good fire, some mulled wine, perfect.
     

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  7. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    That time of year again
     
  8. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Who are they burning in Lewes this year ? Theresa May ? It's a bit short notice to model three High-Court judges....If it was down to me, it would be the editor of The Daily Mail. He likes it inflamatory.
     
  9. ritsonvaljos

    ritsonvaljos Senior Member

    I haven't seen anyone with a Guy Fawkes or youngsters asking 'Penny for the Guy' for years. In the modern era there might be too much work involved.
     
  10. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Well mate
    Sussex Police deploy armed officers to Lewes bonfire night
     
  11. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    I shan't be there...but I believe that Sussex Police are still looking for the teenage me for throwing bangers...That they are now armed doesn't surprise me !
     
  12. chrisgrove

    chrisgrove Senior Member

    Donald Trump. if telly be believed
    Chris

    This is a reply to the thread above asking who they were burning in Lewes this year. I did press 'Quote' but with no result.
     
  13. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    thanks Chris
    yes could be anyone this year
     
  14. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Cheers, Chris. Quotes are odd on the new forum. I think that you simply have to use the 'reply' option next to the post. If you don't want to then use the box at the bottom. I've messed it up several times.
     
  15. Oldman

    Oldman Very Senior Member

    Guy Fawkes, Yorkshireman the only person I know of that entered parliment with good intent
     
  16. DavidW

    DavidW Well-Known Member

    American based celebrations of Halloween took over about 30 years ago. Sad really.
     
  17. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Bonfire Prayers

    Remember, remember the Fifth of November
    The Gunpowder Treason and plot,
    I see no reason why Gunpowder Treason
    Should ever be forgot.

    Guy Fawkes, Guy Fawkes ’twas his intent
    To blow up the King and the Parliament,
    Three score barrels of powder below
    Poor old England to overthrow.

    By God’s providence he was catch’d
    With a dark lantern and burning match,
    Holler boys, holler boys, ring bells ring
    Holler boys, holler boys, God Save the King!

    A penny loaf to feed the Pope
    A farthing o’cheese to choke him,
    A pint of beer to rinse it down
    A faggot of sticks to burn him.

    Burn him in a tub of tar
    Burn him like a blazing star,
    Burn his body from his head
    Then we’ll say old Pope is dead.

    Hip Hip Hoorah!
    Hip Hip Hoorah!
    Hip Hip Hoorah!

    https://www.lewesbonfirecelebrations.com/poems-verse/bonfire-prayers/
     

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