Recordings of German Military in Captivity

Discussion in 'General' started by Zoya, Apr 14, 2008.

  1. Zoya

    Zoya Partisan

  2. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Can't Id any but they are all Luftwaffe.
     
  3. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

  4. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Thats an interesting picture Zoya but I'm not sure how relevant it is to the article given that they are all Luftwaffe Officers. I'm not even sure that they are all Generals! But this definitely looks an interesting book to read.
     
  5. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Old Hickory Recon

    #4 from the right appears (to me at least) to have an empty holster. I guess that is to be expected.
     
  6. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    I've posted the image on ww2f.
    looks like a job for Erich , C.Evans & others to ID them.
     
  7. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Old Hickory Recon

    I need to run on, get to work. They look like they have general's insignia on their collars. The one in the center looks like he has a wreath with a single little set of wings within, making him a Generalmajor (brigadier general). The others are a bit fuzzy.


    Edit --- Ike over at ww2talk.com thinks they are mostly majors, I am not in disagreement. The one in the center that I thought looked as though he general markings on his collar insignia, is that a yellow background or white to y'all? I thought it look paler than the other's but now I am not sure.
     
  8. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Charming little denialist comment at the end of the article :rolleyes::
    "And these have turned up now??...Yeah right, some people must be getting desperate...

    - Reggie Danns, London"

    The fact of recording captured men, from Staff officers down to lowly to schutze, is hardly new, the new thing is the collation of specific transcriptions, but Reggie probably wouldn't understand that. :mellow:
     
  9. Zoya

    Zoya Partisan

    Thanks for identifying that the picture bears little relevance to the article!
    Typical Daily Mail then, eh? :)

    The book does look interesting though.
     
  10. 4th wilts

    4th wilts Discharged

    they knew about it imo.if they all said no sir,all the geman army i mean,the war would have stopped,and yes they were all complicit imo.lee.
     
  11. stevew

    stevew Senior Member

    Excellent picture, my first reaction was this is a still from a film, to see a colour picture that clear from WW2 impresses me.

    I find it slightly amusing reading the comments at the end of the Mail's article, someone saying the real crime was the British Gov't knew and did nothing
     
  12. chipmunk wallah

    chipmunk wallah Senior Member

    Apart from the two guys at the back on the far right(no pun intended) those Lufty guys are all aircrew of some sort,all wear the aircrew badge and have the yellow tabs.The two at the back apear to have either pink or red backed rank tabs,signifying more than likely anti aircraft or possibly lufty ground forces,the guy on the extreme right(again,not hitler..) also apears to have the Krim shield,so,Id hazzard a wild guess that they were all rather to busy with other duties to be involved in any direct way with the Holocaust.
    When I get round to reading the Daily Hate artical no doubt I'll have some opinions on the denialist morons.

    "This also explodes the myth that the allies knew nothing about the holocaust.

    - Sebastien Wolf, Paris, France"

    er,no,a basic grasp of history exploded that one.

    "
    What's more criminal was that the British government knew all about the holocaust from these recordings and decided to do nothing about it,and pretended surprise when the concentration camps were discovered at the end of the war

    - Gabe, Dublin"

    what can you say about this one? No one pretended surprise,everyone was shocked at just how widespread it was.More criminal?Really? Its more criminal to do all the Allied nations tried to do than to shoot little children is it? Misguided fool.

    "
    And these have turned up now??...Yeah right, some people must be getting desperate...

    - Reggie Danns, London"
    HHmmm,yes,bet this scumsuckers a fully signed up valued contibutor to cohda et al....Like all deniers logic fails them,they are all so keen to show the nazis as angels yet claim to be he biggest patriots in this land that was bombed and threatened with invasion by the nazi scum.
     
  13. PeterG

    PeterG Senior Member

    This is a photograph of Hitler and his field-marshals taken in 1940 in the Reich Chancellery.

    From left to right: Keitel, von Rundstedt, von Bock, Göring, Hitler, von Brauchitsch, Ritter von Leeb, List, von Kluge, von Witzleben, von Reichenau.
     

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  14. Zoya

    Zoya Partisan

    The difference in quality is so great, it does make one wonder if that first picture is authentic, doesn't it? Hmmm...
     
  15. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    I'd go with them all apparently wearing the Aircrew badge, and I can't make out any Jump badges. The waffenfarbe colour isn't much of an indication of role as other Luftwaffe field & FJ units wore Yellow tabs too (HG division wearing White).

    Given that many RKs and War crosses I would have expected FJ chaps to show a bit more 'swagger', even in Hitlers presence, the decorations indicate Pilots. I'm certain that Erich will know for sure (and who knows, even have a correct caption for the picture, surely it's well known in certain circles, such a crisp colour shot).
     
  16. ADM199

    ADM199 Well-Known Member

    Thats an interesting picture Zoya but I'm not sure how relevant it is to the article given that they are all Luftwaffe Officers. I'm not even sure that they are all Generals! But this definitely looks an interesting book to read.

    I agree the picture seems to bear no relevence to the Article. The Files refered to have been open since 1975, with sections still kept closed by the Lord Chancellor.

    Recently another book has been published in Australia,"Voices from the Fortress" which records what was happening in Terezin,a Concentration Camp in Czekoslovakia.
    Quite an horrific read.
     
  17. PsyWar.Org

    PsyWar.Org Archive monkey

    The difference in quality is so great, it does make one wonder if that first picture is authentic, doesn't it? Hmmm...

    No there's nothing wrong with that photo showing a group of Luftwaffe officers from either the flight section or FJ.

    The quality of photography generally declined over the years. You should see the quality of photographs from the late 19th century taken on 10" x 12" glass plates - the detail is unmatched even today. The size of the film used is the key to detail and over the years film sizes generally got smaller and smaller reaching an all time low in the 1970's with disc cameras and the 110 format.
    During the war the most common film format used was roll film with a negative size of 6 x 7 cm or thereabouts. The quality is significantly better than 35mm film, as long as it was exposed and processed properly and the camera had a half decent lens. Germany did pioneer colour photography in the early 1940's, hence the amazing quality of photography used in Signal magazine. The colours weren't perfect and had a particular quality about them that the above photo exhibits. Actually I rather like the colour-shift of 1940's colour film, even it isn't quite natural.

    Edited to add: In modern terms a 6 x7 cm roll film negative would equate to roughly a 30 megapixel digital camera.
     
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  18. PeterG

    PeterG Senior Member

    The reproduction of the photo of the marshals I posted is not indicative of the the quality of the original photograph. It is a scan from a paperback of the book "The Nemesis of Power" by John Wheeler-Bennett, printed in 1961.

    The photograph, although the book doesn't say so, was almost certainly taken by Heinrich Hoffmann, Hitler's official photographer and Press Photographer of the Reich (Eva Braun worked in his shop when Hitler first met Hoffmann).

    Hoffmann's photography was of a very high standard, as was of course all European and American photography in the 1930s and 40s (Life, Esquire, Picture Post, Tattler, etc).

    Peter
     
  19. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    The quality of photography generally declined over the years. You should see the quality of photographs from the late 19th century taken on 10" x 12" glass plates - the detail is unmatched even today. The size of the film used is the key to detail and over the years film sizes generally got smaller and smaller reaching an all time low in the 1970's with disc cameras and the 110 format.
    During the war the most common film format used was roll film with a negative size of 6 x 7 cm or thereabouts. The quality is significantly better than 35mm film, as long as it was exposed and processed properly and the camera had a half decent lens.

    Edited to add: In modern terms a 6 x7 cm roll film negative would equate to roughly a 30 megapixel digital camera.
    Strongly agree, I've enlarged tiny sections of Edwardian to 1950's full plates to 10x8 and the level of detail captured means I defy anyone to tell the difference between them and a 35mm print. If using an entire full or half plate the enlargements that can be done without losing detail, or reaching the limits of a modern enlarger lens, is shocking. Contact prints from them just 'shine'. :D
    As for the 'medium' formats, it's not by chance they were the profesional choice right up until the last few years.

    Cheers,
    Adam
     
  20. PsyWar.Org

    PsyWar.Org Archive monkey

    Strongly agree, I've enlarged tiny sections of Edwardian to 1950's full plates to 10x8 and the level of detail captured means I defy anyone to tell the difference between them and a 35mm print. If using an entire full or half plate the enlargements that can be done without losing detail, or reaching the limits of a modern enlarger lens, is shocking. Contact prints from them just 'shine'. :D
    As for the 'medium' formats, it's not by chance they were the profesional choice right up until the last few years.

    Cheers,
    Adam

    Sounds like we both have some darkroom experience Adam. All this digital photography and PhotoShop malarkey is great but somehow not as fun as playing around with skin-peeling and stinky chemical baths under a red light. ;)
     

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