RAF Regiment

Discussion in 'Scandinavia and Finland' started by Murmanseld, Feb 23, 2024.

  1. Murmanseld

    Murmanseld Member

    My dad was in the RAF Regiment and posted to Norway as part of the Army of Occupation. I wondered if there was an online forum which might discuss this or somewhere that I could search to find out more about my dad's time in the RAF Regiment. Apologies if this is the wrong place to post this and of course I'll remove the post if necessary. Thanks
     
  2. gmyles

    gmyles Senior Member

    Hi

    Extracted from "Through Adversity - History of RAF Regiment" page 142/143

    THE RETURN TO NORTH-WEST EUROPE

    Meanwhile, RAF Regiment squadrons formed part of the British force which landed in Norway. 2737 and 2949 Rifle Squadrons, which had been trained in mountain warfare techniques in Scotland,
    embarked with the 3rd and 52nd Infantry Divisions for the liberation of Norway in order to occupy German airfields there. They were joined by 1318 Wing HQ – and also by 2875 Squadron which was
    moved by air from Schleswig to Oslo in Halifax bombers instead of the Dakota transport aircraft which they had expected. Although all the squadron personnel and equipment were squeezed into the
    cramped interiors of the Halifaxes, there was no room for the second-in-command’s most treasured possession – the squadron piano – which had been acquired in Normandy and provided music for the squadron as it moved through NW Europe. It was left, standing alone and forlorn, in a field in Germany as 2875 Squadron lifted off for Norway.

    Unfortunately none of the RAF Regiment Operation Record Book/Appendices that I know of have been digitised by the National Archives. Which is a shame as most of the Flying Sqns have been.

    2737 Sqn
    Operation Record Book (ORB)
    https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7159245
    Appendices
    RAF Regiment Squadrons 2721 with nominal roll and plan of movements around Rome; 2722,... | The National Archives

    2949 Sqn
    Operation Record Book (ORB)
    2949 Squadron RAF Regiment. Formed at Longcross and based at various UK locations... | The National Archives
    Appendices
    https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C4099845

    2785 Sqn
    Operation Record Book (ORB)
    https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7159293
    Appendices
    https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C4099803

    RAF Regiment Museum: https://www.rafregimentheritagecentre.co.uk/

    If you haven't applied for his service record yet. https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-records-of-service

    Hope this helps

    Gus
     
  3. dryan67

    dryan67 Senior Member

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  4. Murmanseld

    Murmanseld Member

    That's really helpful, many thanks! Yes I have applied for his service record however it seems like these requests take some time so I thought I'd ask on here what else or where else I might find information about the RAF Regiment and their operations in Norway. Thank you again. John
     
  5. Murmanseld

    Murmanseld Member

  6. davidbfpo

    davidbfpo Patron Patron

    If you use this search term: "raf regiment" + "norway" site:ww2talk.com it will identify threads here that might help.

    Post 2 in this thread: Looking for British unit! gives an indication why the RAFR might be deployed to Norway, citing Denmark as an example.

    I expect each arm of the British military had its own objectives following the German surrender. So the RAF would focus on radar stations, active airfields and specialist aircraft - the Danish airfield cited had JU-88G night fighters. Personally I doubt much of the Luftwaffe was still flying by the end of the war from Norwegian bases.

    Note Finnmark Norway's northern most province was occupied by the Soviet Red Army from October 1944. See: Finnmark - Wikipedia

    Check the CWGC database for any deaths amongst the RAF in Norway after VE-Day 1945 (1/5/1945).
     
  7. Murmanseld

    Murmanseld Member

    Many thanks, more helpful information which much appreciated.
     
  8. alieneyes

    alieneyes Senior Member

    Hello,

    I would suspect your dad was seconded to either the Missing and Research Enquiries Service or one of the RAF Disarmament Wings or Flights.

    If it was the MRES then it would have been No. 3 MRES which handled Norway and Denmark. F/Lt Hubert Brooks, MC, RCAF was in charge of No. 3 post-war. He was an ex-POW who, on his third escape, met up with the Polish Home Army and took part in all sorts of adventures. I can't recommend his son's website enough. Chapter 6 covers his work with MRES.

    The Disarmament Wings (and Flights) would have been an easier gig. This article, apart from the fact it states that No. 8402 Disarmament Wing was RCAF (it was RAF), is worth your time.

    As is this, if only for the background:

    Taming Eagles: Disarming the Luftwaffe, 1945-1948 - Crowdcast

    Regards,

    Dave
     
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  9. Murmanseld

    Murmanseld Member

    Many thanks, those are interesting links. I probably should have added more detail to my initial post but wasn't sure if I'd get any feedback to my question! Anyway my late brother-in-law (ex RAF) did some research on both the RAF bases at Skaw (where my dad was stationed initially in 1941) and RAF Saxavord, both on the island of Unst in the Shetland Islands. In his research he notes that
    2740 Squadron, RAF Regiment was used in defence of Sumburgh (Shetland) and 2751 Squadron was at Sullom Voe (Shetland). He wasn't sure which Regiment provided the personnel on Unst, but thought it was possibly 2737 Sqn. This Sqn was deployed to Norway later (along with my father). He talked of being in and around Oslo and possibly other locations south of Oslo but where I'm not sure. As always when you're young you think parents are going to be around forever and don't ask the questions about their past history that only become interesting when you get old! By then it's sadly too late.
     
  10. Murmanseld

    Murmanseld Member

    Further to my original posting some months back I've now received my father's service record from the MOD/RAF Disclosures-Veterans (Form 543). I had hoped it would tell me where he trained at various times and was posted to (I know he came up to RAF Skaw, Unst, in Shetland) but thought such information might have been shown on his service record. Training again somewhere after Saxavord then off to Norway - this info was from my mother. Anyway I was hoping that someone might be able to help me with whats shown in the 'Units' column of this form as it dosn't mean much to me. If anyone can help I'd be really grateful!
    RDU B1
    7RC
    20RC
    839(D)
    2763(A)
    2950
    2737 (think a previous note/link covers this one)
    70 Wing
    71 Wing
    18BC
    3RAFR (Assume this is the RAF Regiment but what does the 3 signify?)

    There is a list of abbreviations' attached but haven't found that to be much help!
    Many thanks

    John
     
    Last edited: May 10, 2024
  11. RAFCommands

    RAFCommands Senior Member

    7 Recruit Centre
    20 Recruit Centre
    2839 Squadron (2 was added later)
    2763 Squadron
    Regiment Sqns 2700-2850

    2950 Squadron
    Regiment Sqns 2851-2952

    Malcolm's web site contains handy reference but all ORBs are at the TNA
    eg
    2950 Squadron RAF Regiment. Based at various UK locations including Sandwich, Brandy Bay... | The National Archives

    3 RAF Regiment Sub-Depot, Folkingham (UK). | The National Archives

    His service record shows the units he was posted to but not their location - the RAF knew where most of it's units were and as they changed location did not feel they needed to duplicate the information shown in ORBs housed in the same Records Office.

    If he was posted to a unit, when it moved it was not recorded on Form 543, you look at the Operations Record Book for that info. The exception is if the unit moved Command/AHQ or Theatre.

    Ross
     
    Last edited: May 10, 2024
  12. Murmanseld

    Murmanseld Member

    Many thanks Ross, that's really helpful information and links although I likely should have guessed what RC stood for! My dad's date of enlistment was 27 June 1941, the following day he's shown as going from Edinburgh to Res. (?), then on the 01 August 1941 from Res. (?) to RDU-B1. Any thoughts on what Res and RDU might stand for - Recruitment something Unit...?? Also during 1942 70 Wing and 71 Wing.??
    Thanks again.
    John
     
  13. RAFCommands

    RAFCommands Senior Member

  14. Murmanseld

    Murmanseld Member

    Ross, once again many thanks for your helpful reply.

    John
     

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