RA claim of ME110 18 August 1940

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  1. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    I'm trying to research 849656 G J F Newman, on 19 August 1940 he wrote a letter to his Battery commander that the day before he engaged an ME110 that had passed over the Battery with smoke coming from its port engine, he fired on it with a Lewis gun striking the Starboard engine which stopped, it then passed behind a hill from which smoke soon appeared.

    This was around 18.00 on 18 August 1940, I'm hoping to try track down a possible ME110 that ties in with his claim, I've no idea his RA unit or location (except on the coast) any thoughts or leads? It was a busy day for aircraft losses

    Thanks

    Alistair
     
  2. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    20 Me 110's mentioned in ATB's Battle of Britain on the 18th August. None mentioned being hit by ground fire.
     
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  3. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    Thanks for checking, from the letter it seems like it was already well on its way when he had a go, I'll try add the letter in case anyone can read any more into the actual wording.

    Cheers

    Alistair
     
  4. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    The letter in Question, I'm not sure if this is a draft or if it was returned to him

    Alistair
     

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  5. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Blitz vol 1 ATB
    18/8/40
    page 216
    Bf 110C of 4/ZG26
    Attacked by RAF fighters allso hit by ground fire prior to crash landing in flames on the emergency landing ground at Leysdown,Sheppey 5:30pm

    Also Home Guard had a go at a Dornier after it had been ht by a Bofors and it crashed at Leaves Green near Biggin Hill 1:30pm
     
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  6. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    Thanks for the extra info Clive, the first one sounds a decent match, I had a bit of a Google and found a note that it was S/L Manstin who damaged it and left it smoking, it was then engaged by Bofors of 12 LAA Battery - I wonder if Newman was with 12 LAA and joined in.

    Cheers

    Alistair
     
  7. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

    849656 NEWMAN George Jack Frederick Gnr enlisted in RA in 1935.
    Born : 8th May 1911 Isle of Wight
    Died : 2Q 1990 Swale Kent
    Married : Margaret A Newman 2 Q Sheppey Kent 1940

    There is a note underneath his service number on the attestation which I can't read. The pencil notes indicate which unit the Gunner was posted to.
    He could have been stationed in Kent in 1940, indicated by the marriage?

    NEWMAN.png
     
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  8. hutt

    hutt Member

    This diary might be worth looking at

    WO 166/2682 ANTI-AIRCRAFT COMMAND: LIGHT ANTI-AIRCRAFT REGIMENTS: 12 Light Anti-Aircraft Regiment (LAA).

    Page below (from 6th AA Division Diary) gives 12th LAA battery locations in March 1940 so these might also be worth investigating at Kew if they exist

    There should be a daily report in either WO 166/2174 ANTI-AIRCRAFT COMMAND: ANTI-AIRCRAFT DIVISIONS: Headquarters 6 Anti-Aircraft Division, Signals (HQ). 1940 May- 1941 Dec.

    or WO 166/2169 ANTI-AIRCRAFT COMMAND: ANTI-AIRCRAFT DIVISIONS: Headquarters 6 Anti-Aircraft Division, General (HQ G). 1940 June- Oct.
     

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  9. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    There is no 12 LAA battery war diary for 1940. Anyone know the regiment this battery was under?
     
  10. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    Sorry Andy I meant 12 LAA regiment not Battery

    Alistair
     
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  11. RCG

    RCG Senior Member, Deceased

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  12. hutt

    hutt Member

    Agree, Sheerness a likely location. Unfortunately, 34Bty diaries don't seem to exist so may also be worth trying 56th AA Brigade diary below

    WO 166/2308 ANTI-AIRCRAFT COMMAND: ANTI-AIRCRAFT BRIGADES: Headquarters 56 Anti-Aircraft Brigade, General (HQ G). 1940 June- 1941 Dec.
     
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  13. Peter Clare

    Peter Clare Very Senior Member

    The following from 'The Hardest Day' - A. Price

    18 August 1940

    Me110. Destroyed
    Pilot. Uffz. H. Jaeckel +

    Damaged in action with British fighters off Clacton probably by S/L. G. Manton of 56 Squadron at 5:30 pm Finished off by ground fire, aircraft crashed at Eastchurch (Isle of Sheppey) . Radio operator taken prisoner.
     
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  14. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    It's a shame the RA tracer cards aren't on findmypast yet as that would be ideal for checking his unit, I've started the ball rolling on unit war diaries. Thanks for all the help, I thought this was a long shot, but it seems to have identified a strong possibility, fingers crossed the war diary agrees.

    Alistair
     
  15. hutt

    hutt Member

    Also Home Guard had a go at a Dornier after it had been ht by a Bofors and it crashed at Leaves Green near Biggin Hill 1:30pm

    I suspect that para (b) in the attached extract from a 1st AA Division diary is referring to this incident
     

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  16. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

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