Question Regarding German Currency

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  1. Dillon

    Dillon Junior Member

    Hello, my brother recently purchased a note from a military show. The guy who sold it to him said it was obviously SS, and it was currency used in the Buchenwald concentration camp during world war 2. I couldn't find any information for him about it, history, or what it is worth. If you know any information about these notes, its greatly appreciated!

    Thanks,
    -Dillon
     

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  2. WotNoChad?

    WotNoChad? Senior Member

    This is the "currency" used to pay prisoners for their labour, they used to get about 6RM per month and use it to buy things like extra food, tobacco or possibly camp soap made from human fat.

    You'll find some incredibly inflated prices from some dealers for these, and as such they're very much one way traffic. In reality they're worth around £25-30 each, if you can find someone who'd buy it.

    How much did he pay for it?
     
  3. Dillon

    Dillon Junior Member

    Thanks for the reply! He paid $30 USD for it which would translate to about 20 Euros, do you know how scarce they are? The guy said that they were rare to come by, and that my brother most likely wouldn't see one again.

    -Dillon
     
  4. brndirt1

    brndirt1 Senior Member

    This is the "currency" used to pay prisoners for their labour, they used to get about 6RM per month and use it to buy things like extra food, tobacco or possibly camp soap made from human fat.

    Let's not keep that myth about soap made from human fat alive. The soap was very poor quality, but not made from human fats. It was industrial fats, and marked with the intitials RIF (Reich Industrial Fats), and the more sadistic of the guards said to the inmates that it was PJF (Pure Jewish Fat) to make the Jews repulsed by the idea of even touching such an article, let alone cleaning themselves with it.

    But in reality it was just very poor quality soap, made with industrial, not Jewish fats. One can see how the initials RI could be read as PJ.
     
  5. Elven6

    Elven6 Discharged

    Let's not keep that myth about soap made from human fat alive. The soap was very poor quality, but not made from human fats. It was industrial fats, and marked with the intitials RIF (Reich Industrial Fats), and the more sadistic of the guards said to the inmates that it was PJF (Pure Jewish Fat) to make the Jews repulsed by the idea of even touching such an article, let alone cleaning themselves with it.

    But in reality it was just very poor quality soap, made with industrial, not Jewish fats. One can see how the initials RI could be read as PJ.

    Wasn't the "human soap" just a isolated incident at the camp where this "lady" would make lamps from human skin?
     
  6. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Yes, just like the human hair

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    (Picture from the Main Commission for the Investigation of Nazi War Crimes, courtesy of USHMM Photo Archives.)Photograph taken immediately after the departure of the Germans from Auschwitz-Birkenau. Sacks of human hair packed for dispatch to Germany. The women had their hair cut prior to gassing. In Auschwitz warehouses 7,000 kilos of human hair was found at liberation. (January 1945)
    gold teeth,

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    spectacles, shoes, brushes,

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    But why am I running around in circles like this? This was all in defence of beautiful people

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    for this was the face of the Enemy.

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    After all, I guess the Muselmänner got it coming.
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    But yes, every one of them an isolated incident.
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    Portuguese saying: The worst blind is the one who refuses to look.
     
  7. brndirt1

    brndirt1 Senior Member

    Wasn't the "human soap" just a isolated incident at the camp where this "lady" would make lamps from human skin?

    The "lady" (Ilse Koch [sp?]) really did make many objects of human skin, not just lampshades, but book covers, gloves, and other macabre items. The "rumor" of soap from human fat wasn't isolated to a single camp either.

    Here is a link to Koch:

    World War 2 - Ilse Koch

    Aaron Breitbart, a senior researcher at the Simon Wiesenthal Center, agrees that the evidence is thin. "The leading scholars of the Holocaust are of the opinion that the Nazis did not make soap," he says. "It was a cruel rumor at (many of) the camps...."


    Andrew Hollinger, a spokesman in the [Holocaust Museum] department of media relations...provided Moment with a document written by the museum’s historian that concludes: "Available documentary evidence and eyewitness accounts have been unable to corroborate in a conclusive manner reports that the National Socialists and their collaborators used human fat from their victims in the manufacture of soap." It goes on to say: "rumors that Germans made soap from human remains originated in French propaganda from the First World War."


    Breitbart explains why it is that the scholars have to be so careful. "The importance is not to give the Holocaust deniers any opportunity," he says. "The view of the Holocaust revisionists is, if you can prove something is wrong, then everything is wrong. It gives them an opportunity to cast doubt on the general historical veracity of the Holocaust."


    The scholars’ view is based in -part on analysis of the small blue-green cakes of soap that Holocaust survivors have presented over the years, claiming that they were made from human fat. Breitbart says the bars are stamped "R.I.F.," for Reich Industry Fat, but in the camps some Jews believed that the I was a J and that the acronym stood for "Jewish Fat." When analyzed, however, the bars turned up no evidence of human DNA.

    See:


    The Soap Myth

    Wartime rumors that the Germans were manufacturing soap from the corpses of slaughtered Jews were based in part on the fact that soap bars distributed by German authorities in Jewish ghettos and camps bore the impressed initials "RIF," which many took to stand for "Rein juedisches Fett" or "Pure Jewish Fat." (It did not seem to matter that the letters were "RIF" and not "RJF.") These rumors spread so widely in 1941 and 1942 that by late 1942 German authorities in Poland and Slovakia were expressing official concern about their impact.

    Macabre "Jewish soap" jokes became popular in the ghettos and camps, and many non-Jews on the outside came to believe the story. When trains loaded with Jewish deportees stopped temporarily at rail stations, Poles reportedly would gleefully shout at them: "Jews to soap!" Even British prisoners of war interned at Auschwitz in 1944 testified later about the wartime rumors that corpses of gassing victims were being turned into soap there.
     
  8. Elven6

    Elven6 Discharged

    Yes, just like the human hair

    [​IMG]
    gold teeth,

    [​IMG]

    spectacles, shoes, brushes,

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    But why am I running around in circles like this? This was all in defence of beautiful people

    [​IMG]

    for this was the face of the Enemy.

    [​IMG]

    After all, I guess the Muselmänner got it coming.
    [​IMG]

    But yes, every one of them an isolated incident.
    [​IMG]

    Portuguese saying: The worst blind is the one who refuses to look.

    Really? I don't recall ever denying anything, just asked for clarification on some soap.

    The "lady" (Ilse Koch [sp?]) really did make many objects of human skin, not just lampshades, but book covers, gloves, and other macabre items. The "rumor" of soap from human fat wasn't isolated to a single camp either.

    Here is a link to Koch:

    World War 2 - Ilse Koch

    Aaron Breitbart, a senior researcher at the Simon Wiesenthal Center, agrees that the evidence is thin. "The leading scholars of the Holocaust are of the opinion that the Nazis did not make soap," he says. "It was a cruel rumor at (many of) the camps...."


    Andrew Hollinger, a spokesman in the [Holocaust Museum] department of media relations...provided Moment with a document written by the museum’s historian that concludes: "Available documentary evidence and eyewitness accounts have been unable to corroborate in a conclusive manner reports that the National Socialists and their collaborators used human fat from their victims in the manufacture of soap." It goes on to say: "rumors that Germans made soap from human remains originated in French propaganda from the First World War."


    Breitbart explains why it is that the scholars have to be so careful. "The importance is not to give the Holocaust deniers any opportunity," he says. "The view of the Holocaust revisionists is, if you can prove something is wrong, then everything is wrong. It gives them an opportunity to cast doubt on the general historical veracity of the Holocaust."


    The scholars’ view is based in -part on analysis of the small blue-green cakes of soap that Holocaust survivors have presented over the years, claiming that they were made from human fat. Breitbart says the bars are stamped "R.I.F.," for Reich Industry Fat, but in the camps some Jews believed that the I was a J and that the acronym stood for "Jewish Fat." When analyzed, however, the bars turned up no evidence of human DNA.

    See:


    The Soap Myth

    Wartime rumors that the Germans were manufacturing soap from the corpses of slaughtered Jews were based in part on the fact that soap bars distributed by German authorities in Jewish ghettos and camps bore the impressed initials "RIF," which many took to stand for "Rein juedisches Fett" or "Pure Jewish Fat." (It did not seem to matter that the letters were "RIF" and not "RJF.") These rumors spread so widely in 1941 and 1942 that by late 1942 German authorities in Poland and Slovakia were expressing official concern about their impact.

    Macabre "Jewish soap" jokes became popular in the ghettos and camps, and many non-Jews on the outside came to believe the story. When trains loaded with Jewish deportees stopped temporarily at rail stations, Poles reportedly would gleefully shout at them: "Jews to soap!" Even British prisoners of war interned at Auschwitz in 1944 testified later about the wartime rumors that corpses of gassing victims were being turned into soap there.

    That makes sense, thanks for posting.
     
  9. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Ah, yes, possibly. Questioning the "soap myth" looked like a picking on a small detail to gain leverage to question the rest.

    Oh, and soap production WAS experimented, it did not go into full production because it wasn't found to be economically useful. As for gold rings, teeth, hair, yes, they were used. I am confident that soap would have gone ahead with no compuction at all if an adequate process were to be found.
     
  10. Elven6

    Elven6 Discharged

    Ah, yes, possibly. Questioning the "soap myth" looked like a picking on a small detail to gain leverage to question the rest.

    Oh, and soap production WAS experimented, it did not go into full production because it wasn't found to be economically useful. As for gold rings, teeth, hair, yes, they were used. I am confident that soap would have gone ahead with no compuction at all if an adequate process were to be found.

    In my previous studies the creation of lamps, books, etc using human skin and organs was something done by Koch, I merely asked if human soap was something she also did. The fact that I was replying to someone who had essentially debunked the human soap myth should have given you some clue.

    I am actually quite offended that you would think of me like that. I did not join yesterday for you to question my intentions in such a manner, essentially calling me a Holocaust denier.

    Your gross "what if" esque assumptions regardings posts, intentions, etc are disturbing especially for someone of your age.
     
  11. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique MOD

    Posts pruned and deleted, and thread re-opened.

    I don't want to see either person concerned continue the forum 'debate' between themselves either here or elsewhere unless it can be conducted in a dignified manner.
     
  12. Dillon

    Dillon Junior Member

    Wow, that is very disgusting that she did all of that... Just curious, what would they do with all of the bags of hair? Make wigs, or clothes out of them? :confused:
     
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  13. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Some bits that I found, Dillon.

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    Claim by Polish Researcher: Did German Firm Schaeffler Process Hair From Auschwitz? - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

    He also said there were transcripts from the interrogation of former factory workers claiming that in 1943, two train wagon loads of hair were delivered to the factory in Kietrz. Tests conducted later by Polish authorities found that it was human hair containing traces of Zyklon B -- the poison used in the gas chambers of Auschwitz.
    ...
    While Schöllgen confirmed the use of forced laborers in Kietrz, he doesn't believe there is any evidence linking the Schaeffler company to the processing of human hair from Auschwitz.

    Well, if his firm didn't, some other one did.

    One display case, some 30 metres (98 ft) long, is wholly filled with human hair which the Nazis gathered from the people before and after they were killed.
    I read an article about all of this hair! It said that it had become infested with bugs (can you imagine that...all 7 TONS of it). So, every 10 years, they remove it a section at a time, put it on some sort of a vibrating screen and dust it with insecticide powder. I'm sure that's why it is discolored now along with age. The article said that it was becoming very dry and brittle and that's it volume is decreasing with time...and that within 20 years it will mostly be disintegrated into dust.
    The Soviets found seven tons of hair packed into bundles in the camp warehouse after the liberation. Germans had shipped the hair and everything else they stole from the prisoners back to the Fatherland. After all, the Holocaust was more than about killing. It also was one of the greatest thefts and slavery operations ever. The efficient Nazis used human hair to make clothing fabric. Some of that fabric lies in a glass case next to the hair display. The Nazis even lied in their manifests what was contained in those tightly packed bundles.
    After I regained my composure, a German tour group entered the room and the guide explained the hair display, in German, to the 50- and 60-year-old tourists. I grew extremely uncomfortable.
    I don't know who these Germans were or what their parents or relatives did during the war. Some may have had no connection to Auschwitz and the other Nazi camps. They were too young. At that moment I felt unforgiving. But they had come, and I knew that was good.
     
  14. WotNoChad?

    WotNoChad? Senior Member

    Happy to stand corrected on the soap issue brndrt.

    Thanks for the reply! He paid $30 USD for it which would translate to about 20 Euros, do you know how scarce they are? The guy said that they were rare to come by, and that my brother most likely wouldn't see one again.

    They're pretty rare, there's other values too, I've seen a half RM, and a two RM, I'd guess there's very likely a one RM too. I've also seen a variant.
     
  15. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Hmm, sometimes one stumbles on protected photos that won't show up after all. Here's the link for the one in my post above.
     
  16. Elven6

    Elven6 Discharged

    Wow, that is very disgusting that she did all of that... Just curious, what would they do with all of the bags of hair? Make wigs, or clothes out of them? :confused:

    They would also use it to make pillows and mattresses by using the hair has filler in place of what was used from what I am told.
     

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