Queen's Royal Regiment (West Surrey) 2/7th Lance Corporal Reginald George Woodcock 5616306

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  1. silverblondie

    silverblondie Junior Member

    Hi everyone!

    I hope someone out there can help me. I'm fairly new to WW2 research, and I've just discovered that my great Uncle Reg was a Lance Corporal in the 2/7th Queen's Royal West Surrey Regiment.

    From the CWGC I know that his service number is 5616306 and is buried in Shornecliffe cemetary. He died on 24th February 1941.

    My dad originally thought that he was in the RAF, as he has vague memories of his dad telling him Uncle Reg had died whilst loading bombs onto an aircraft somewhere in the UK. Only our research now has shown for definite that Reg was in the army.

    Can anyone shed any light on this? Was this regiment involved with the RAF in any way? Was there anything of particular relevance that happened on or around this date? If anyone can point me in the right direction I would be extremely grateful.

    Many thanks in advance

    Silverblondie x :D
     
  2. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Hello and welcome to the forum.

    Would you like a picture of his headstone? The cemetery is just around the corner from my parents who I'm visiting this week end.

    Regards
    Andy
     
  3. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Silverblondie,

    Hello and welcome to the forum.

    Regards
    Tom
     
  4. silverblondie

    silverblondie Junior Member

    Hello and welcome to the forum.

    Would you like a picture of his headstone? The cemetery is just around the corner from my parents who I'm visiting this week end.

    Regards
    Andy

    Hi Andy,

    I would love it - thank you so so much! It's fantastic to know there are kind hearted souls out there willing to help - thankyou!

    Silverblondie B)
     
  5. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Can you give me his details:

    Name and plot number etc so I can find him and I'll make a effort to get up there for you :)
     
  6. englandphil

    englandphil Very Senior Member

    Wecome aboard SilverBlondie, and enjoy your research, as it looks like you have a difficult one. A short history of the queens has the battalion in France Belgium as part of the BEF at the time of your Great Unlces Death.

    The Territorial Battalions in the 1939-45 War

    44 Home Counties Division which included 131 Queen’s Brigade, 1st/5th, 1st/6th and 1st/7th Battalions, went to France on 3rd April 1940. They were followed later in the month by 35 Brigade which included 2nd/5th, 2nd/6th and 2nd/7th Battalions. The Germans launched their ‘Blitzkrieg’ on 10th May, 131 Brigade, after some heavy fighting on the Escaut and near La Bassée, carried out a fighting withdrawal through Dunkirk. The Naval Commander-in-Chief wrote that ‘the bearing, good order and discipline of the Queen’s was an example and inspiration to all of us in the Royal Navy’. 35 Brigade which was only half trained and half equipped, with no proper anti-tank weapons and no artillery, was evacuated through Cherbourg after being overrun by the main German armoured thrust. Its position had been hopeless from the start and the fact that the battalions came home, largely intact, is a lasting tribute to the spirit of The Queen’s.

    After Dunkirk in the reorganisation of the Army, 35 Brigade became 169 Queen’s Brigade of 56 London Division and for two years took part in the defence of the Kent and Sussex Coasts. In the summer of 1942 both 44th and 56 Divisions were ordered overseas to the Middle East, where the former joined the 8th Army in North Africa, while 56 Division was deployed in north Iraq. In Egypt, 131 Brigade tenaciously held the Alam Halfa ridge area in the defeat of the main German offensive against the El Alamein position. Subsequently it fought, but at some cost, on the southern front at El Alamein. After this battle, 44 Division was broken up and the Brigade became the Lorried Infantry Brigade of 7th Armoured Division (The Desert Rats).
     
  7. silverblondie

    silverblondie Junior Member

    Can you give me his details:

    Name and plot number etc so I can find him and I'll make a effort to get up there for you :)

    Here's some info on the Regiments history:
    Queen's Royal Surrey Regiment




    Sure, this is what CWGC gives:-

    Name: WOODCOCK, REGINALD GEORGE Initials: R G Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Lance Corporal Regiment/Service: The Queen's Royal Regiment (West Surrey) Unit Text: 2/7th Bn. Date of Death: 24/02/1941 Service No: 5616306 Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. Q. Grave 1099. Cemetery: SHORNCLIFFE MILITARY CEMETERY
    I hope this helps!

    Many thanks to all the help given so far, I'm totally blown away. Thanks everyone!

    SB x:D
     
  8. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Silverblondie
    I think I would go along with England Phil's account of their travels as it is when they were in the Reserve to the BEF in 39/40 under the 5th Division -after Cherbourg they were reorganised into the 44th Home Counties Division - the Division didn't do so well at Alum El halfa or El Alamein and Monty broke them up - the Queens bde moving into the 56th London Division at Iraq /Palestine - Tunisia and finally Italy....

    So it is quite possible that they were messing around in the Uk doing all sorts of jobs including helping out the hard pressed RAF in 1941 at the time of your relatives death - the regimental diaries would fill you in with that phase of History

    Cheers
     
  9. silverblondie

    silverblondie Junior Member

    Silverblondie
    I think I would go along with England Phil's account of their travels as it is when they were in the Reserve to the BEF in 39/40 under the 5th Division -after Cherbourg they were reorganised into the 44th Home Counties Division - the Division didn't do so well at Alum El halfa or El Alamein and Monty broke them up - the Queens bde moving into the 56th London Division at Iraq /Palestine - Tunisia and finally Italy....

    So it is quite possible that they were messing around in the Uk doing all sorts of jobs including helping out the hard pressed RAF in 1941 at the time of your relatives death - the regimental diaries would fill you in with that phase of History

    Cheers

    Hi Tom & England Phil,

    This is really interesting stuff, I knew nothing about the regiment at all until now. Do you know if any of the regimental diaries are online, or where they're held? I'm up in Scotland so any visits are kind of restricted!

    Thanks

    SB x :lol:
     
  10. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique

    There is a published history of the 2/7th Queens and the War Diary of the battalion will be at the National Archives in London.
     
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  11. silverblondie

    silverblondie Junior Member

    Silverblondie,

    Hello and welcome to the forum.

    Regards
    Tom

    Thanks Tom!

    SB x :)
     
  12. silverblondie

    silverblondie Junior Member

    There is a published history of the 2/7th Queens and the War Diary of the battalion will be at the National Archives in London.

    That's brilliant, thankyou so much!

    An honour doing business with you Mr Reed!

    SB x :rolleyes:
     
  13. silverblondie

    silverblondie Junior Member

    You're a star EnglandPhil - the more info I get the better! Sincere thanks x
     
  14. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    It has been very noticable that recently there have been a number of references to various personnel and units being sent to North Africa to serve in a number of ways in that area.

    It does not me need me to point out that this is a vast area of the world and as a consequence the British Army - in it's long history and wisdom - chopped up this area into segments -

    the Iraq / Palestine area became PAIF which is the Palestine and Iraq Force

    Egypt - Cyreniaca - Libya - Tripolitania -Tunisia became the MEF - Mid East Force

    Morocco - Algeria and Tunisia became BNAF - British North African Force

    Sicily and Italy became the CMF - Central Mediterranian Force

    it would be quite helpful in cutting down at least some confusion if those terms were used - as far as possible.....

    Cheers
     
  15. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

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  16. Kieron Hill

    Kieron Hill Senior Member

    Welcome to the forum Silverblondie and
    all the best and good luck with you research.
    I think you should go with Paul Reeds suggestion
    of the regimental history I think you'll find that
    most helpful.

    Looking at his Army Number 5616306 he originally enlisted into the Devonshire Regiment.

    Devonshire Regiment 5608001 - 5662000

    http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/searchi...locations.html

    You'd need to check his Service Record to see when he joined the Queen's.

    Owen thanks for bringing that service number
    thread to my attention that is really informative.
     
  17. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Paul sent me a CD with some war diaries on, there is the 2/7th Queen's on there for May 1940.

    Until you know when he joined the Queen's from the Devons that my be irrelevent info.

    Drew, your info in post #5 is about the wrong battalion.
     
  18. silverblondie

    silverblondie Junior Member

    To everyone that has posted since I was on the forum last - WOW!

    I had no idea that he had transferred regiments, I shall get on to trying to find his service records and see where I get. The only thing is I'm not quite sure where to start, is the National Archives the place to go?

    Thank you so much everyone, I hope I'll be able to return a favour!

    Cheers

    SB x :lol:
     
  19. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Silverblondie -
    I would have thought that you would be better applying to Glasgow for his service records before you think about the National Archives - this gives you his personal history as opposed to his regimental History....which is more than you want at this time.
    Is Perth still the smallest town in the world inasmuch as it lies between two inches - and Kinnoul Hill seeing off those people from Dundee ?

    Cheers
     
  20. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    SB,

    As Tom says get his records from Glasgow (There's a form on here somwhere you can print off) and take it from there.

    I'm sure someone on here will be able to shed even more light on your man if you put the details on here.

    Regards
    Andy
     

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