PW, DP and VP

Discussion in 'Unit History' started by Owen, Aug 4, 2006.

  1. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Reading Wilts Regt War Diaries and they mention the above abreviations.

    PW=Prisoner of War , obvious.
    DP=Displaced Persons,ditto.
    VP=?????

    Not a typo for DP as D and V aren't near eachother on a keyboard.
    What are VPs?
    as in "....finding, reporting and guarding V.Ps....."
    from 2nd Wils WD for 18/5/45.


    "...the locating and guarding of V.P.s, the checking of and disposal of all D.P's in the area...."
    From 2nd Wilts WD. 5/5/45


    Very interseting to read of the rapes and murders committed by the DPs on the German population in the immediate post-war days.
     
  2. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Official abbreviation for VP is 'Vulnerable point'
    Funny you should ask this as I was recently reading in the same book that 'VP' reference comes from (British Soldier in Normandy v1&2) that MP's wore blue cap covers while protecting 'Vulnerable points' and wondered what the official term meant?
    Cheers,
    Adam.
     
  3. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Just bringing this up again.
    Why would MPs wear Blue cap covers?
     
  4. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    So does anyone have a more 'official' definition of Vulnerable point or is the term purely self-explanatory?
    I only ask as Gordon referred to it in the 'airfield structure' thread.
    Any thoughts?
     
  5. lancesergeant

    lancesergeant Senior Member

    Vulnerable point as in one that could be attacked by the werewolfs or other subversives perhaps.
     
  6. CROONAERT

    CROONAERT Ipsissimus

    Why would MPs wear Blue cap covers?

    Because they were a specialised wing of the CMP (very originally called the "Vulnerable Points Wing"). It differentiated them from the rest when on duty.

    Dave
     
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  7. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Cheers Dave.
    Vulnerable Points Wing. It was the task of the "Blue Caps" to provide guards for installations and buildings that were seen as vulnerable points, such as ammunition and petrol dumps, docks, locks, bridges and power stations. They were organised into sections each with 7 privates under command of a lance corporal. They were armed with SMG's and batons, and used guard dogs during nights. Their primary duty was anti-sabotage.

    British Military Police - From the MMP to the RMP

    Distinctive Arm Badges
    In addition to the white and oxford blue bands painted around the steel helmets of the TC and VP Wings of the CMP, these personnel were also identified by 1 1/2in square cloth badges worn just below the shoulder seam on each sleeve of the Service Dress jacket, the Battle-Dress blouse, the Khaki Drill jacket and the Greatcoat. After June 1943 the badges were worn below the corps designation and above the arm-of-service strip. For TC Wing personnel, the badge had red lettering "TC" whilst for VP Wing personnel the letters were "VP".
     
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  8. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Good stuff.
    Multiple queries answered for the price of one thread.
    Cheers,
    Adam.

    (& that 'VP' makes an oddly tempting avatar...)
     
  9. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    from Alanbrooke's diary page 138.

    5-2-41

    Then Barker on the subject of the new police for guarding vulnerable points.
     
  10. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Just reading in the History of 53rd Division about who guarded Vulnerable Points in Wales in 1939.

    Certain Vulnerable Points laid down by the War office were to be guarded by troops of the recently formed Natioanl Defence Companies (Territorial Army Reserve).
    There were 74 of these Vulerable Points in the Welsh area, the strength of their Guards varying from 8 platoons to 1/2 platoon. Altogether 75 Platoons were to be deployed for this purpose with 8 Platoons in reserve-a total of 83 Platoons. In the event , owing to the imminence of war, it was found impracticable to deploy the National Defence Companies and in the first instance most of the Vulnerable points were guarded by Militiamen* from various Depots in the Welsh area.
    On the 29th August the 113th Infantry Brigade (15th Bn Welch Regt, 2/5th Bn Welch Regt and 4th Bn Monmouthshire Regt) of the 38th Division was embodied and concentrated at Porthcawl for the purpose of relieving Militia Guards on Vulnerable Points.

    * Conscription had come into force on the 18th May 1939 and the men so raised were known as Militiamen. They joined and received their primary training at Regimental Depots.
     
  11. Tomed1

    Tomed1 Member

    I found the following abbreviation in relation to gun positions:
    VP
    Please may I have the official definition. I assume it is either "vulnerable point" or "vantage point".
    Tom.
     
  12. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

  13. Rob Dickers

    Rob Dickers 10th MEDIUM REGT RA

    DP's and VP's
    Regt Diaries Nov 1945
    HQ 43(W)Div - 5AGRA
    Rob

    AGRA Reports.
    The 8th Middx Battalion carried out an Operation to make surprise searches of (DP) Displaced Persons Camps, including BELSEN. Relieved of VP commitments by the 52nd Hy Regt for 48hrs from 11.00hrs.



    16th and 17th November.
    09.00 Lt. GEORGE , Lt. HEATH and Captain WEEKES posted to the Regiment. Visit by the CAGRA.
    The 8th Middx returned and resumed VP responsibilities. Captain D.W.SWANTON promoted to Acting Major, retrospective from 14th Oct 1945.

    18th November.
    The CAGRA still staying with the Regiment – left at 18.00hrs.
    Steady increase in numbers of refugees and evacuees (OPERATION HONEY-BEE) coming from the Russian Zone. All movement is taking place in the 121st Med Regt area and under control.
     
  14. Tomed1

    Tomed1 Member

     
  15. skimmod

    skimmod Senior Member

    Just thought I'd add my twopennies worth.

    Vulnerable points are still in military parlance at the moment and are very important places to note on foot or vehicle patrols/ convoys.

    They are used to describe a location that is vulnerable to IED or ambush because they choke traffic, slow patrols and identify places that have to be used more than once.

    For example, bridges and fords, tracks across swampy or rocky terrain, a junction that is frequently used and can't be avoided.

    They can't be avoided, but are already identified as dangerous, so are vulnerable to attack. Hence the name VP.
     
  16. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Not a great pic but whilst flicking through The Canadian Battlefields In Normandy A Visitor's Guide on page 8 , which I've had since 2005, (Why didn't I notice it before?) I saw this chap escorted German PoWs in UK , 29 June 1944.
    chap with blue cap cover & VP armband.
    Photo listed as CFPU ZK774
     

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  17. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Just re-reading the very late i.e. just post war in Europe entries in the SRY war diary and came across this:


    26th May 1944


    Consolidated returns of VP and DP camps returned to Brigade.


    On first looking at it I think I would have read this as "Vulnerable Persons" perhaps, as in camps of vulnerable persons.

    So it's interesting to see that an "Official abbreviation for VP is 'Vulnerable point' "

    ​At least it would not appear to be a "V" for "D" typo though. Since both are used together.

    Shame they didn't write "Consolidated returns of DP camps and VP's returned to Brigade." ;)

    On the 23rd May for example they had:


    23rd


    Commander 8th Armd Bde. visited T targets 14.15 hrs. Many incidents with Poles and Russian DP, such as pilfering of clothes and food, stealing bicycles and attempted rape.


    And I think that they were trying to protect vulnerable people in the local population as well, i.e. locals who weren't actually displaced but were vulnerable to those that were. (such as those having to live rough through being bombed out, or just alone in the countryside somewhere) - temporarily brought together for local mutual protection?


    24th


    Sqn Ldrs conference 10.00 hrs. It was decided to start blancoing belts. β€˜T’ staff increased. Recce of DP camps continued, many small camps discovered.


    25th


    2 additional night guards of T targets in HANNOVER alloted to the regiment.



    'fraid I'm now wondering what "T targets" were ;) and "blancoing belts" ??? (probably sorted by just a simple google though :P )

    They had this to say at the end of the month of May though:


    31st


    Commander 30 corps addressed 8th Armd Bde., giving a description of the campaign from D-day and explaining the reasons for the imposition of the rules against fraternisation which would only be for a limited period. The corps commander made special reference to the change of name of the regiment from Sherwood Rangers to the Notts Yeomanry but said that as far as he was concerned he had known regiment as Sherwood Rangers from Alamein and would so to call them.


    So... Commander 30 corps addressed 8th Armd Bde., giving a description of the campaign from D-day and explaining the reasons for the imposition of the rules against fraternisation which would only be for a limited period.

    (So presumably after that they were allowed to fraternise freely as much as they liked) ;)

    And I'd always assumed that both names "Sherwood Rangers" and "Notts Yeomanry" were fairly freely used. Though they actually started out as the Notts Yeomanry, it seems a bit of a tug of war ensued and they seemed to pogo between them depending on diktats from above. I think my vote though would probably go with the SRY though I have no idea now why I prefer it to "the Notts Yeomanry" - just more used to it now I guess :)
     
  18. PsyWar.Org

    PsyWar.Org Archive monkey

    Possibly 'T Targets' is rather like 'D Day' in that the 'T' might mean 'Target'.

    Various T Forces formed spearheads to quickly reach and secure importment sites in Germany of scientific and industrial importance that the Allies didn't want destroyed, damaged or looted.

    The T Forces later reported that the biggest threat to these important sites more likely came from Displaced Placed persons looting or vandalising them rather than from German sabotage.

    Regular troops would soon take over guard duties while the Target Forces advanced to their next objective.

    Lee
     

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