POLL - Did Hitler suvive the war?

Discussion in 'General' started by Nick Pringle, Mar 6, 2012.

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Did Hitler Survive The War?

  1. Yes

    0 vote(s)
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  2. No

    100.0%
  1. Swiper

    Swiper Resident Sospan

    Nick seems a troubled tin hat wearing individual.

    Indeed he missed my MA presentation today which concluded that Tetley's and Yorkshire Tea had successfully bankrolled the Tea Party movement and were leading to the restoration of the Empire.
     
  2. Nick Pringle

    Nick Pringle Member

    I thought the question alone defeated the point, Nick. I thought this forum was about WWII not fantasy.

    The latest book making claims that Hitler escaped to Argentina after a few months of being released is currently

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    so, it would seem people are interested in this subject, a lot more than they are about reading 140 British wwii veterans memories and what they think of Britain now thats for sure.
     
  3. Nick Pringle

    Nick Pringle Member

    I thought the question alone defeated the point, Nick. I thought this forum was about WWII not fantasy.

    hello Nick
    This hitler did he/ did he not survive malarkey is old hat and complete what iffery syndrome.
    Even if deemed a bit of fun it fails to hit the spot.

    regards
    Clive

    Then perhaps you could contact Britains biggest tabloid and ask them why they have just sent a journalist to the wilds of Argentina to investigate this what iffery, but ditched an article about WWII veterans think of the UK and wasted 2 ww2 veterans (who have both since passed away) time by going round with a photographer then taking photos then ditching the article for political reasons. Also, perhaps contact the publisher of the best selling Grey Wolf, and ask them why they are publishing such what iffery.:rolleyes:
     
  4. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

  5. Nick Pringle

    Nick Pringle Member

    I must say I don't really understand the point you're trying to make or the point of your poll. It's verging on a 'What If' and you are so on the wrong site for those I'm afraid.

    There is no 'point' being made, I set up a simple poll asking a question, based on the fact a bestselling book claims Hitler escaped to Argentina, and the papers have been giving it a lot of coverage.

    With your reaction you'd think a Nazi escaping to South America was utterly unheard of and beyond the realms of sanity. :rolleyes:

    I'm not saying he did, I couldn't really care less, however, I'm an open minded sort of person.
     
  6. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Hello Nick



    The same would apply if a story was to be got.
    Asteroids slamming into earth
    Alien abduction
    Mystic orbs
    Lancaster on the moon
    My sister was a camel
    et al

    We on here have the greatest respect and regard for Veterans and those who did not survive.

    regards
    Clive
     
  7. wowtank

    wowtank Very Senior Member

    Who is voting yes on the poll PLZ?
     
  8. Nick Pringle

    Nick Pringle Member

    Nick seems a troubled tin hat wearing individual.

    Indeed he missed my MA presentation today which concluded that Tetley's and Yorkshire Tea had successfully bankrolled the Tea Party movement and were leading to the restoration of the Empire.

    I used to have some good chats with a WWII veteran who was a regular at the Special Forces club next to Harrods, he told me some very interesting things, but no doubt you'd call him a 'tin hat wearing individual' as well, so I won't be passing on what he told me.;)
     
  9. Dave55

    Dave55 Atlanta, USA

    Hello Nick



    The same would apply if a story was to be got.
    Asteroids slamming into earth
    Alien abduction
    Mystic orbs
    Lancaster on the moon
    My sister was a camel
    et al

    Clive

    Don't forget:
     

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  10. Swiper

    Swiper Resident Sospan

    Bully for you Nick. I just really don't understand what you are trying to get at on here, unless you are otherwise involved with Grey Wolfshite.

    I mean I am pretty sure that even on Stormfront many of their members accept Herr Hitler is dead.

    Really just pure, idiotic tripe to suggest he jollied off somewhere. With Goebbels in tow for a gentle victory gangbang in Argie.
     
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  11. Nick Pringle

    Nick Pringle Member

    Have a shufti here:
    WW2Talk - Hitler Escaped
    And here:
    Grey Wolf - The Escape of Adolf Hitler

    For local analysis of the Grey Wolf Book.

    Thanks I had a look at both. The first WW2 talk was just like a baying mob, not a single person bothered to ask WHY, this book was claiming such things etc. just a load of flippant comments.

    The second, was slightly better, and I thought this from the publisher was interesting -

    Publisher’s Note

    When we were first presented with the idea for Grey Wolf: The Escape of Adolph Hitler, our initial reaction was to dismiss it as just another conspiracy theory. Everyone knows that Hitler and Eva Braun took their lives in the bunker to escape the humiliation and certain execution that awaited them. However, we agreed to give it serious consideration due to the stellar reputations of the authors, Simon Dunstan and Gerrard Williams. We were also encouraged by the recent independent discovery that the remains recovered at the bunker were not those of Hitler or Eva Braun. Upon reading the proposal and challenging the authors over a period of several months, we were convinced that they had raised serious questions that called the conventional wisdom into question, and therefore decided to publish the book.
    The authors have spent the last 5 years researching this subject, and have traveled the globe, interviewing eye witnesses, unearthing documents, and piecing together a mountain of evidence that has convinced them of a fact almost too horrible to contemplate; that Adolph Hitler escaped punishment and lived out his life in domestic tranquility in Patagonia until his death in 1962.
    This prospect is so despicable that we contemplated not publishing the book out of concern for those who would be offended by the mere prospect of Hitler’s escape, whether or not they found the argument credible. However, after much consideration, and a lengthy editorial process during which the authors were challenged to support their facts, we believe it is possible they may have uncovered the truth behind one of the greatest deceptions in history.
    This book raises many intriguing questions, but it does not conclusively settle the issue. Perhaps this is a mystery that will never be solved as with so many other moments in time. Or perhaps, once in the public arena, other facts will come to light that will bring us closer to a definitive answer. The authors wrote this book in a search for the truth, and they may have found it. Inevitably, you the reader, will be the ultimate judge.
     
  12. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Personally, I think the laughter/baying was entirely justified. The natural reaction of the reasonably well informed.
    Adolf's last hours are pretty well documented, and those that enjoy such things have made an apparently thorough job of debunking the Argentina suggestion, detail by detail.

    Publisher's blurb is easy enough to write, but it seems to have taken a very short while for gaping holes to have been picked in the Grey Wolf tale, by both amateur and professional Historians, so I can only assume that the "lengthy editorial process during which the authors were challenged to support their facts" wasn't near lengthy enough, and the above can indeed just be filed under blurb.
     
  13. phylo_roadking

    phylo_roadking Very Senior Member

    Thanks I had a look at both. The first WW2 talk was just like a baying mob, not a single person bothered to ask WHY, this book was claiming such things etc. just a load of flippant comments.


    Really? So the discoveries about the Magdeburg area, the real fate of the U-518, and the real fate of Heinrich Bethe, and the authors' ignoring Mark Benecke's work, were just "flippant comments"?

    The second, was slightly better, and I thought this from the publisher was interesting -

    Publisher’s Note

    When we were first presented with the idea for Grey Wolf: The Escape of Adolph Hitler, our initial reaction was to dismiss it as just another conspiracy theory. Everyone knows that Hitler and Eva Braun took their lives in the bunker to escape the humiliation and certain execution that awaited them. However, we agreed to give it serious consideration due to the stellar reputations of the authors, Simon Dunstan and Gerrard Williams. We were also encouraged by the recent independent discovery that the remains recovered at the bunker were not those of Hitler or Eva Braun.



    ...of course, ignoring Mark Benecke's work on the DENTAL remains.



    Upon reading the proposal and challenging the authors over a period of several months, we were convinced that they had raised serious questions that called the conventional wisdom into question, and therefore decided to publish the book.
    The authors have spent the last 5 years researching this subject, and have traveled the globe, interviewing eye witnesses, unearthing documents, and piecing together a mountain of evidence that has convinced them of a fact almost too horrible to contemplate; that Adolph Hitler escaped punishment and lived out his life in domestic tranquility in Patagonia until his death in 1962.


    These would be the same authors that have had a writ issued against them by Abel Basti for plagarising his book? Or that failed to notice the movements of and departure of Heinrich Bethe from Argentina? And didn't unearth the true fate of the U-518?

    This prospect is so despicable that we contemplated not publishing the book out of concern for those who would be offended by the mere prospect of Hitler’s escape, whether or not they found the argument credible. However, after much consideration, and a lengthy editorial process during which the authors were challenged to support their facts, we believe it is possible they may have uncovered the truth behind one of the greatest deceptions in history.




    Seems to have been a remarkable editoprial process that missed all the fallacies in Williams' part of the book.

    This book raises many intriguing questions, but it does not conclusively settle the issue. Perhaps this is a mystery that will never be solved as with so many other moments in time. Or perhaps, once in the public arena, other facts will come to light that will bring us closer to a definitive answer. The authors wrote this book in a search for the truth, and they may have found it. Inevitably, you the reader, will be the ultimate judge.



    Oh, and we were.

    Nick - they published it. Did you think they were going to say it was crap? :lol:
     
  14. Nick Pringle

    Nick Pringle Member

    Bully for you Nick. I just really don't understand what you are trying to get at on here, unless you are otherwise involved with Grey Wolfshite.

    I mean I am pretty sure that even on Stormfront many of their members accept Herr Hitler is dead.

    Really just pure, idiotic tripe to suggest he jollied off somewhere. With Goebbels in tow for a gentle victory gangbang in Argie.


    You might think it is 'idiotic tripe' great that is your opinion. As you can see from the poll added on here, none of which will be included in the final result on the poll on my site, 3 members of this forum disagree with you.
     
  15. Swiper

    Swiper Resident Sospan

    By jove Nick, we have established that three members of this forum are:
    a) Trolls
    b) Morons

    Shocker eh?

    The thing is... it was thoroughly debunked as pure drivel. I read the extracts he put online, and there were such basic mistakes that a five year old could spot on his huge, and massively waffly/page-filling ramblings about the rise of Nazi Germany.

    'great that is your opinion'. Offence intended, but my opinion is worth far more than yours if you actually consider this viable.

    Seriously you clearly got off the special bus.
     
  16. phylo_roadking

    phylo_roadking Very Senior Member

    Also, perhaps contact the publisher of the best selling Grey Wolf, and ask them why they are publishing such what iffery

    Because it sells to the CT, tinfoil hat brigade. Doesn't make it any more factual though.

    Then perhaps you could contact Britains biggest tabloid and ask them why they have just sent a journalist to the wilds of Argentina to investigate this what iffery,


    Because maybe, just maybe...there's a bigger back story to this than anything made public yet? :mellow:

    Think about those very professional-looking "Grey Wolf" film clips on Amazon and Youtube...ever wonder HOW they came into being? Why all the actors look hispanic....perhaps even - Argentinian? ;)

    There IS a much bigger and deeper story behind all this that you're aware of :D Hopefully the day will come soon when we, those of us in the know, can make it public.

    And that's NOT conspiracy theory ;) It'll be fun.
     
  17. Nick Pringle

    Nick Pringle Member

  18. phylo_roadking

    phylo_roadking Very Senior Member

    So, what evidence is there that he died in the bunker other than statements from all his sidekicks?


    I thought you'd read the threads?
     
  19. Swiper

    Swiper Resident Sospan

    I personally thought Nick was Hitlers Messiah. Or at least an Expert.

    Well clearly a keyboard warrior at least.
     
  20. phylo_roadking

    phylo_roadking Very Senior Member

    In 2003, German forensic biologist Mark Benecke was given access to the Hitler detal remains in Moscow. He had with him both a report from a number of film analysts on the visible properties of Hitler's bridgework as established from all his filmed appearances - his bridgework was held in place by metal clips rpund his remaining teeth - and most importantly full cranial x-rays of Adolf Hitler that remained in German government archives since they were taken in 1944, after Hitler complained of migraines following the July 20th Bomb attack. Thes last were vital to the identification process as Hitler's dental xrays were missing from Hugo Blaschke's office when the SMERSH team visited it in May 1945.

    Hitler had periodontal disease; and earlier in the Spring of 1944 Blaschke had had to make a deep incision into the jawbone to remove infection...AND alter the bridge to suit. All these were evident in Moscow, and there is no doubt that the bridge - and thus the jawbone it was removed from on the autopsy table in May 1945 - were Hitler's. So unless he was wandering round Argentina with half a face...

    Remember - the skull fragment was recovered from the same shell hole but some years later after Stalin became worried that he had been lied to, and he demanded every step of the investigation be re-checked :p There were quite a few citizens of Berlin died violently in 1945 and before....and after! Bomb and artillery blast can loft bits of people quite some distance...

    And strangely enough - despite what Sterling, and Williams and Dunstan, say...in 2009 Nick Bellantoni was only given access to the SKULL fragment for DNA swabbing....NOT the dental remains! ;)
     

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