Pilot - Sergeant J.W. Carter - 6th September 1940

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  1. KentMunich

    KentMunich Junior Member

    When I go to visit my grandparents grave in Herne Bay, I often pass his grave stone and I have always wondered who he was.

    He is not in my records as having been a fighter pilot. Was he in bomber command perhaps?
    Has anyone a little info on him, so I know who he was as I pause by him next time.

    740975
    Sergeant J.W. Carter
    Pilot
    6th September 1940
    Age 30

    Pic attached

    Thanks
    Steve IMAG0103.jpg
     
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  2. KevinBattle

    KevinBattle Senior Member

    The Other Few
    Hampden P4378 144 Squadron RAF. Target: Hamburg, overshot landing at Hemswell.
    Sergeant J W Carter; W J MacKay; F J Drake-Carnell killed; Sqdn Ldr G F Lerwell injured.
     
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  3. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    CARTER, JONATHAN WALLACE
    Rank:
    Sergeant
    Trade:
    Pilot
    Service No:
    740975
    Date of Death:
    06/09/1940
    Age:
    30
    Regiment/Service:
    Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
    144 Sqdn.
    Grave Reference:
    Sec. NNR. Grave 47.
    Cemetery:
    HERNE BAY CEMETERY
    Additional Information:
    Son of Ernest Norman and Ada Gwendoline Carter, of Maidstone; husband of Mollie Carter.

    MACKAY, WILLIAM IAN
    Rank:
    Sergeant
    Trade:
    Wireless Operator
    Service No:
    550348
    Date of Death:
    06/09/1940
    Age:
    21
    Regiment/Service:
    Royal Air Force
    144 Sqdn.
    Awards:
    D F M
    Grave Reference:
    Sec. B. Grave 87 B.
    Cemetery:
    LINCOLN (CANWICK ROAD) CEMETERY
    [​IMG]Sergeant ( W. Op. ) William Ian Mackay ( - 1940) - Find A Grave Memorial


    DRAKE-CARNELL, FRANCIS JOHN
    Rank:
    Pilot Officer
    Trade:
    Air Gunner
    Service No:
    76599
    Date of Death:
    06/09/1940
    Regiment/Service:
    Royal Air Force
    144 Sqdn.
    Grave Reference:
    Cemetery:
    EAST RAYNHAM (ST. MARY) CHURCHYARD
     
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  4. Peter Clare

    Peter Clare Very Senior Member

    6 September 1940

    144 Squadron
    Hampden I P4378
    Op. Hamburg

    Took off from Hemswell. Overshot on return to base and while trying to make a second circuitthe bomber stalled and crashed.

    Crew.

    S/L. G F. Lerwill. Injured
    Sgt. J W. Carter +
    Sgt. W I. Mackay DFM +
    P/O. F J. Drake-Carnell +

    Source - RAF Bomber Command Losses Vol.1 - W R. Chorley

    During the course of 1940 RAF Bomber Command visited Hamburg on 69 occasions, 619 aircraft attacked the target (Naval, Industry, Transport, Oil) 500 tons of HE along with 50 tons of incendiaries were dropped.
     
  5. alieneyes

    alieneyes Senior Member

    37108 George Frank Lerwill, DFC (retired as a G/C in 1965)

    http://www.lerwill-life.org.uk/genealogy/main3c2.html

    • George: The following is mentioned in the history of 49 squadron, RAF:

      On 1st September [1939], as German forces swept into Poland, the Scampton Hampden squadrons were ordered to bomb up a flight of aircraft each, and at midnight general mobilisation orders were issued throughout the RAF in Britain. By dawn of 3rd September the war-loaded Hampdens were still at standby and, at 6.15 pm, six Hampdens from 83 Squadron and three from 49 Squadron left Scampton on an 'armed reconnaissance' over the North Sea, seeking German naval ships to bomb. The trio of 49's bombers, [was] led by Flight Lieutenant George Lerwill. In the event the sortie flew as far as the Horns Reef lightship, found no targets to bomb, and returned to Scampton without incident.

      George became a Group Captain in the R.A.F. through promotion during the War and in years following the War.
     
  6. KentMunich

    KentMunich Junior Member

    Thank you very much for your replies.
    Best wishes
    Steve
     
  7. RCG

    RCG Senior Member, Deceased

  8. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    Interestingly Guy Gibson recalls George Lerwill in the early days at Scampton.

    According to Guy Gibson,then on 83 Squadron at Scampton the target detailed by the Station Commander,Group Captain Emmett was the German pocket battleships moored in the Schilling Roads which lie on the north bank of the Elbe at the west entrance of the Kiel Canal.It was expected that the Von Scheer would be berthed there and the method of attack was given to the pilots

    This raid was at a time when the government's bombing policy was that mainland Germany was not to be bombed and the only target allowed was shipping offshore

    Emmett declared in the briefing........"If by any chance there are no warships there,you may bomb the ammunition depot at Marienhof but no account and I must warn you that serious repercussions will follow must you bomb civilian establishments,either houses or dockyards"His last instruction to the crews was repeated as Gibson relates, "that on no account were we to bomb Germany"

    Gibson gives the original take off time as 1530 but progressively put back by the half hour until 1700hrs. The 49 trio were first away, led by George Lerwill who according to Gibson had the doubtful boast of being the first aircraft from No 5 Group to bomb Germany.

    Apparently no Hampden pilot had taken off with a 2000lb bomb load and advised was given how to achieve it. (Scampton was a grass airfield until after the Dambuster Raid)

    All in all,the raid was not a success from Scampton and it appears that the aircraft were lost.As Gibson states when they decided to abort,they thought gun flashes were from Heligoland or the East Frisian Islands.Gibson records that the Blenheims from No 2 Group which had left their airfield 2 hours before No 5 Group had some success and hit the Von Scheer superstructure.

    Aircraft getting lost locating a target or on the homebound trip due to poor navigation,bad weather and the lack of aids was a feature of early Bomber Command operations.Gibson records that after being well off course locating the target, he was lost homeward bound for 2 hours after crossing the coast at Boston and only found Scampton via Lincoln by following the Witham from Boston.Many Hampdens were lost when prolonged flying time to locate their home airfield led to running out of fuel.

    George Lerwill must have been well off course to the north to find himself at Horns Reef which is off Esbjerg on the west coast of the then neutral Denmark.
     
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2017
  9. Frances Morgan

    Frances Morgan New Member

    J.W. Carter was my Great Uncle!
    Frances.
     
  10. Frances Morgan

    Frances Morgan New Member

    Say hello to him when you next go past. His name was Jonathan, also known as Jack.
     

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