Pearl Harbor

Discussion in 'All Anniversaries' started by bamboo43, Dec 7, 2013.

  1. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    [Hey wait a minute,wasn't the Sandwich Islands discovered by that supreme navigator from Whitby,James Cook.

    He sheltered in a natural harbour and declared I name this place Pearl Harbour..........and Harbour it was and Harbour it is....honestly]

    My reference to Pearl Harbour as above was a tongue in cheek light hearted comment and I have no evidence that Cook sheltered in what became Pearl Harbour.However the fact is that James Cook discovered the Hawaiian Islands in January 1778 and declared I name these islands "The Sandwich Islands". This was a tribute to the 4th Earl of Sandwich who held the post of First Sea Lord during this era of the American wars of independence.Cook discovered these islands before the future of the British colony in America had been decided.(Earl Sandwich was also a gambler and sustained himself during long sessions at the gambling table with slices of bread and meat taken together.His mode of foodfare gave the English language,the sandwich.)

    The Sandwich Islands appears to have been the preferred name for the Hawaiian Islands until the middle of the 19th century.

    Getting back to Pearl Harbour,experience no matter what dimension, is usually drawn on by those who have to determine the outcome of new challenges...adverse experiences...stay clear or rectify/fine tune the response ....good and effective experiences...fine tune and probably template it.However along with the experience,an element of risk is introduced which can have short term or long term consequences.

    From that looking at the Japanese raid on Pearl Harbour,the Japanese are thought to have adapted the strategy utlised by the RN air raid at Taranto which crippled the Italian fleet on 11 November 1940.The RN were able to catch the Italian fleet at berth at the Taranto naval base.

    The Japanese raid was flawed to some extent by the lack of the overall intelligence picture.The Japanese took the risk and there would only one bite of the cherry, that the whole US Pacific fleet would be at anchor at Pearl Harbour.Fortunately the US carrier fleet was at sea and this would have long term consequences for theJapanese.As it was,the US naval/air victory over the Japanese at Midway during early June 1942 was the watershed of Japanese expansion in the Pacific.It would be a hard slog of island hopping to push the Japanese back to their homeland but nevertheless,the opportunity to overcome the Japanese due to their failure of the pre-emptive blow on Pearl Harbour must have been recognised by the US military leadership.With a superior developing technology and a high performing war economy,the US were able to deny Japan, the New Order for Asia that the Japanese military expansionists craved for.
  2. Puttenham

    Puttenham Well-Known Member

    It's important to remember the remains of the Battleship Arizona's sailors still rest there, just below the surface. More than one thousand men. RIP

    Japan had no idea what they were in for.

    When attacked, Yanks have a very long memory and sooner or later, retribution will occur.

  3. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    7th December 1941
    Japanese planes bomb Pearl Harbor
    Japan has launched a surprise attack on the American naval base at Pearl Harbor in Hawaii and has declared war on Britain and the United States.

    The US president, Franklin D Roosevelt, has mobilised all his forces and is poised to declare war on Japan.

    Details of the attack in Hawaii are scarce but initial reports say Japanese bombers and torpedo-carrying planes targeted warships, aircraft and military installations in Pearl Harbor, on Oahu, the third largest and chief island of Hawaii.

    News of the daring raid has shocked members of Congress at a time when Japanese officials in Washington were still negotiating with US Secretary of State Cordell Hull on lifting US sanctions imposed after continuing Japanese aggression against China.

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    [​IMG] He remembered that moment [Pearl Harbor] in later years as the end of one existence and the beginning of another
    People's War memories »
    At 0755 local time the first wave of between 50 and 150 planes struck the naval base for 35 minutes causing several fires and "untold damage" to the Pacific Fleet.

    The Japanese squadrons dropped high-explosive and incendiary bombs.

    A second strike followed at about 0900 when a force of at least 100 planes pounded the base for an hour.

    At least two Japanese airplanes have been shot down but it is reported that at least 350 men were killed by one single bomb at the Hickam Army Air Field, an Air Corps post on Oahu.

    Officials announced a further 104 Army personnel were killed and 300 were wounded in the raid.

    It is believed the attack was launched from two aircraft carriers.

    One radio report says US forces downed six Japanese planes and sunk four submarines.

    There are reports the Hawaiian capital Honolulu was also bombed as well as the Pacific island of Guam and the capital of the Philippines, Manila.

    A British gunboat, the Peterel, has also been sunk at Shanghai in China.

    Reports from Singapore suggest a build-up of Japanese warships in the South China Sea and seem to be headed for the Gulf of Siam, towards Bangkok.

    President Roosevelt is working on a message to Congress tomorrow in which he is expected to ask for a declaration of war with Japan.

    The Times newspaper's Washington correspondent says the US Government expects Germany and Italy to declare war on the US within hours.

    Although the attack has shocked the American people there is little doubt that it had been brewing for some years.

    Relations with the United States have deteriorated since 1931 when Japan occupied Manchuria in northern China. Over the last decade conflict has intensified into a full-scale war between Japan and China.

    Last year, the US imposed trade sanctions on Japan.

    Then in September 1940 Japan signed a Tripartite Pact with Germany and Italy. It became a formal member of the Axis alliance fighting the European war but continued to negotiate with America for trade concessions until today.

    Japan's fury over the embargoes and allied support for China prompted a declaration of war.

    BBC ON THIS DAY | 7 | 1941: Japanese planes bomb Pearl Harbor
  4. LRusso216

    LRusso216 Member

  5. Puttenham

    Puttenham Well-Known Member

    Retribution is mine sayeth the B-29.
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  6. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

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  8. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

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  10. Dave55

    Dave55 Atlanta, USA

  11. Dave55

    Dave55 Atlanta, USA

    Wiki says that a float plane pilot from USS Maryland was killed during the attack. I can't find any more information on it. I assume a catapult launch off of X turret over Ford Island. He would have never stood a chance. Anyone know more about this?

    Maryland: hit by two bombs; returned to service February 1942. 4 dead (including floatplane pilot shot down).

    Battleship Row - Wikipedia
  12. Dave55

    Dave55 Atlanta, USA

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  13. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

  14. Dave55

    Dave55 Atlanta, USA

    Some local Pearl Harbor survivors

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    Dave55 Atlanta, USA

  16. TTH

    TTH Senior Member

    Suffern, Monsey, Sparkill...didn't know you were in Orange County NY.
  17. Dave55

    Dave55 Atlanta, USA

    Close, Rockland County, just south of Orange and just north of 'Joisy'. Actually I live down near Atlanta now but grew up in Rockland. Camp Shanks was in Rockland and was the biggest demarcation camp on the east coast
  18. timuk

    timuk Well-Known Member

    Oh no it must be a typo! :unsure:

  19. Dave55

    Dave55 Atlanta, USA

    Yep. Just being careless again. :(

    "embarkation" :)

    Camp Shanks - Wikipedia
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  20. TTH

    TTH Senior Member

    Demarcation? Surely you mean embarkation...

    I know the area fairly well. I grew up in the city (when non-rich people could still afford to) but we got over to Jersey and up the Hudson to the Catskills and the New Paltz area. We sometimes went up the northern end of the Garden State I think it is past Suffern etc.

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