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Pearl Harbor

Discussion in 'War Against Japan' started by Dpalme01, Nov 2, 2004.

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  1. A-58

    A-58 Not so senior Member

    I don't think so.

    Pearl Harbor changed us overnight from isolationists to nonisolationists. It was then a foregone conclusion that eventually we were going to go to war against German.

    Once the door was open and we had our foot in it, that was it!

    And almost immediately, hitler declared war on us which totally debunks your premise.
    The point that I was making was that the revisionists and conspiracy theorists position was that FDR knew that the Japanese were going to strike Pearl Harbor, and that he let the attack go on to make it easier to declare war. The next day, FDR asked congress to declare war on Japan only, since the Germans had nothing to do with it (sorry Bluto). Hitler made it easier on everyone by declaring war on the US, hoping that the Japanese would be feeling warm and fuzzy and declare war on the Soviets. Of course we know that the Japanese wanted no part of that equation and stayed out of that fight (for now). And maybe the US would've declared war on Germany later, and maybe not. If it did, it probably would have been as a result of the undeclared u-boat war between the USN and the KM that was going on in the North Atlantic. It happened in 1917, so why not in 1942 or 43. This is just my opinion of course. I think that the US would have declared war later, but not sooner. Maybe something else would have happened, who knows. I do believe that if Hitler wouldn't have declared war when he did, even someone as daft as he was wouldn't have done so much later, say some time in 1943 considering the reverses in the Eastern Front and North Africa, but then again, that is my opinion. Good thing for all that he was a moron and declared war when he did.
     
  2. A-58

    A-58 Not so senior Member

    I don't think so. Britain did not even have the resources to take care of herself. That was the whole reason for "lend lease" which was initiated before Pearl Harbor.

    We had no cover initially!
    The US was reeling pretty good for awhile. All we could do was get beat on in the Pacific for about 6 months, and we couldn't contribute anything of substance in the ETO in support of England except for lend-lease, which was already in place as we all know. Our only bright spots in the Pacific were Wake Island, Bataan and the Doolittle Raid. Maybe the Flying Tigers, but they didn't make their mark felt until later in 1942 before the USAAF lobbied their demise. The Japanese sure couldn't do it.

    Of course, we probably helped Admiral Donitz et al in Operation Drumbeat too (the "2nd Happy Time") by not adopting the British convoy system in a timely manner, since Admiral King was such an Anglophobe.
     
  3. A-58

    A-58 Not so senior Member

    Double post here, nothing to see, move along please....
     
  4. A-58

    A-58 Not so senior Member

    I thought Hitler was more of a sedan man


    No, he was a coupe dude. Remember that drop top stretch touring car he had? The low riders had nothing on him....
     
  5. brndirt1

    brndirt1 Senior Member

    No, he was a coupe dude. Remember that drop top stretch touring car he had? The low riders had nothing on him....

    Which one? The single or tandem axle Grosse Mercedes? I liked the single axle best for looks, but the tandem axle was more "armored". Did you know that the tires on the tandem axle (front and rear) each had over 20 individual air cells in them so that a bullet holeing one cell wouldn't result in a flat? Each tire cost more than thirty normal tires, and had a top speed limit of 120 km since the multiple cells tended to throw off the balance of the system.:rolleyes:
     
  6. A-58

    A-58 Not so senior Member

    Which one? The single or tandem axle Grosse Mercedes? I liked the single axle best for looks, but the tandem axle was more "armored". Did you know that the tires on the tandem axle (front and rear) each had over 20 individual air cells in them so that a bullet holeing one cell wouldn't result in a flat? Each tire cost more than thirty normal tires, and had a top speed limit of 120 km since the multiple cells tended to throw off the balance of the system.:rolleyes:
    I'll go along with what you said. The single axle does look a lot better, but for performance, the tandem is much more effective.

    I got the idea for this from seeing the movie "Rat Race." It's a comedy, and the writers were obviously inspired by "It's a Mad Mad Mad World." There was a scene in which one of Hitler's cars was stolen from a museum by contestants in the rat race. You'll have to see the movie yourself to appreciate it.
     
  7. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Old Hickory Recon

    A Pearl Harbor thread that has drifted into the proper number of axels on a European megalomaniac's ride. Where are the moderators when we really need them? tsk tsk :lol::p:lol::p
     
  8. Bob Guercio

    Bob Guercio Senior Member

    A Pearl Harbor thread that has drifted into the proper number of axels on a European megalomaniac's ride. Where are the moderators when we really need them? tsk tsk :lol::p:lol::p

    I think the thing to do is to give a different title. Let me see what happens.

    Bob
     
  9. A-58

    A-58 Not so senior Member

    A little comic relief never hurts anybody....
     
  10. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    I don't think so. Britain did not even have the resources to take care of herself. That was the whole reason for "lend lease" which was initiated before Pearl Harbor.

    We had no cover initially!

    Heck, that must be why it took so short for the Germans to defeat the Limeys in the Battle of Britain, or whatever that was called, and invade afterwards!

    A Pearl Harbor thread that has drifted into the proper number of axels on a European megalomaniac's ride. Where are the moderators when we really need them? tsk tsk :lol::p:lol::p

    Ah, Jeff, you are forgetting the Universal Thread Onthological Principle! "A thread unworthy of being hijacked is unworthy of being in the first place."
     
  11. Bob Guercio

    Bob Guercio Senior Member

    Heck, that must be why it took so short for the Germans to defeat the Limeys in the Battle of Britain, or whatever that was called, and invade afterwards!



    "

    I'm not sure that I understand the meaning of this comment; however, I looked at the original post that I was commenting on and, copied and pasted it here:

    "Yes, we were in a pretty bad mood already, so when Adolph started throwing rocks at us, it was like "oh yeah, well we'll kick yer a$$ too, just wait until we get back up and THEN we'll show you." Of course we had to let Britain cover us until we got back on our feet, sort of like the getting the standing 8 count in boxing, but after that, well, the rest was history they say.... "

    My interpretation of this is that Britain took care of us until we were able to strike back on our own. This is kind of saying that Britain saved our "ass".

    I don't believe that this was ever the case. We were on our own in the Pacific and, thankfully, we managed to get out of a terrible jam without any help.

    Bob Guercio
     
  12. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    I'm not sure that I understand the meaning of this comment;

    That is visible.

    My interpretation of this is that Britain took care of us until we were able to strike back on our own. This is kind of saying that Britain saved our "ass".

    I don't believe that this was ever the case. We were on our own in the Pacific and, thankfully, we managed to get out of a terrible jam without any help.

    So to you the war only started in December 1941, right?
     
  13. Formerjughead

    Formerjughead Senior Member

    I don't believe that this was ever the case. We were on our own in the Pacific and, thankfully, we managed to get out of a terrible jam without any help.

    Bob Guercio

    Are you serious?..........There were quite a few Common Wealth assets in the Pacific: Singapore, Hong Kong, Malaysia, India, Burma, Australia, New Zeeland.
     
  14. Bob Guercio

    Bob Guercio Senior Member

    Are you serious?..........There were quite a few Common Wealth assets in the Pacific: Singapore, Hong Kong, Malaysia, India, Burma, Australia, New Zeeland.

    I stand corrected!

    I should have stopped in taking exception to the statement "Of course we had to let Britain cover us until we got back on our feet"

    This was an incorrect statement! Britain didn't "cover" us. They helped us.
     
  15. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Again: So to you the war only started in December 1941, right?
     
  16. Bob Guercio

    Bob Guercio Senior Member

    Again: So to you the war only started in December 1941, right?

    No it didn't!
     
  17. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Old Hickory Recon

    Again: So to you the war only started in December 1941, right?

    12 Dec 1937?
     
  18. Formerjughead

    Formerjughead Senior Member

    11 Nov. 1918?
     
  19. Bob Guercio

    Bob Guercio Senior Member

    12 Dec 1937?

    Or perhaps as far back as 1852 when Commodore Mathew Perry forced Japan into the modern world?

    Ask "When did World War II start?" and you will get many different answers of which an argument could be made for all of them!

    Bob Guercio
     
  20. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Old Hickory Recon

    12 Dec 1937?

    What happened on this date?
     

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