P.O.W. Camp number 52

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  1. OurDearDad

    OurDearDad Junior Member

    P.O.W. Camp number 52, Pian di Coreglia (Genova),(Also listed as Chiabari), postal mark number 3100
    Can anyone tell me anything about this please? I have found it for my father on the Forces War Records. Many Thanks x
     
  2. OurDearDad

    OurDearDad Junior Member

    First Name: T
    Surname: Watson
    Date of Action: 26/06/1942
    Fate: Missing
    Incident Details: Reported to the War Office Casualty Section for the 24 hours ending at 09:00.
    Incident Date: 08/09/1942
    Information: Casualty List No. 923.
    Rank: Driver
    Service Number: T/142448
    Duty Location: Western Desert
     
  3. OurDearDad

    OurDearDad Junior Member

    First Name: T
    Surname: Watson
    Incident Details: Reported to the War Office Casualty Branch for the 24 hours ended 09.00am.
    Incident Date: 25/08/1945
    Information: Casualty List No. 1841. Previously shown on Casualty List No. 970 as reported Prisoner of War now Not Prisoner of War. Previous Theatre of War, Western Desert.
    Rank: Driver
    Service Number: T 142448


    These three are listed on my father.
     
  4. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Well-Known Member

    You may need to contact member Vitellino - http://ww2talk.com/index.php?members/vitellino.35276/ as she is our Italy POW camp expert.

    Also :
    UK, British Prisoners of War, 1939-1945
    Name: T Watson
    Rank: Driver
    Army Number: T/142448
    Regiment: Royal Army Service Corps
    POW Number: 29119
    Camp Type: Stalag
    Camp Number: VIII-B
    Camp Location: Cieszyn, Poland
    Record Office: Royal Army Service Corps Record Office, Ore Place, Hastings, Sussex
    Record Office Number: 29

    Maybe Mods will move these to a new thread as it really isnt to do with the thread title

    TD
     
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  5. OurDearDad

    OurDearDad Junior Member

    Sorry - I realised that - didn't intend it to come up on the site I had been looking at - the ATS.
    Sorry about that

    Thank you very much for moving my queries to the correct thread.
     
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  6. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Hi,

    Welcome to the forum.

    Your father may have passed through other POW Camp in Greater Germany after 1943 so you may wish to apply to Red Cross in Switzerland for his POW papers. The application window reopens 1st October 2017 but you will have to be quick as it will likely close within a few days.

    If you haven't done so already you could apply for his service papers via MOD Glasgow. It’s £30 well spent.

    You could ask a member to check if he completed a Post Liberation POW Questionnaire on his arrival in UK.They aren’t available on online and require a search of the file at the UK National Archives in London.

    Good Luck

    Steve Y

    PS

    Forgot to attach thread with ICRC details -

    http://ww2talk.com/index.php?posts/759280/
     
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  7. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    As Steve stated send for the official service records via the government link
    Get a copy of military service records - GOV.UK

    also see the thread below
    Camp 52, Chiavari

    History
    The PGN 52 field of Pian di Coreglia in Liguria has been in operation since October 1941.



    In March 1943 he was described as a field for non-commissioned officers and troops, and a capacity of 3,000 seats (see DPG27 ).



    But on February 28, 1943, according to the data of the Army Prisoners of the Army Military Staff in PGN 52 there are 3,438 British soldiers or allied countries (see DPG33 ).



    Few of the information we have. A July 1942 document mentions the establishment of a group of prisoners to be sent as workers in some field of work (not specified) (see PGPC01 ). Maybe it's the PG work camp. n. 107 of Torviscosa (see PGPC02 )



    Another document of October 1942 (see PGPC03 ) refers to the transfer to Pian di Coreglia of 493 prisoners coming from the dissolved field pg. n. 87 of Cardoncelli , in the province of Benevento.



    According to a document of February 1943, 75 South African national (white) prisoners are taken from the field of Pian di Coreglia who will be used as workers by Francesco Accati in the construction of the new Turin sign (see PGPC04 )



    Research on this field is still ongoing.



    On the official website of Coreglia Ligure you can see two original photographs of the camp.

    The field PGN 52 Coreglia become after September 8, 1943 a camp for civilian internees of the Italian Social Republic.


    I CAMPI FASCISTI - Dalle guerre in Africa alla Repubblica di Salò

    P.G. 52 Pian de Coreglia About 15 km inland from Chiavari, on the edge of a town called Calvari on the banks of the Lavagna River. Here https://goo.gl/maps/pWbMvZxXhv52 you can see a bridge over the Lavagna river on the northern edge of Calvari, near Pian de Coreglia. Mounted on the side of the bridge is a marble slab erected in 2002, commemorating the site.[4][5]
    List of World War II prisoner-of-war camps in Italy - Wikipedia


    regards
    Clive
     
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  8. vitellino

    vitellino Senior Member

    Hello,

    Three weeks ago I was up at the site of the camp and am busy preparing a website on it.

    In the meantime there is a combined map-photo showing its location on another Italian website together with some photos of the prisoners
    www.marina.difesa.it/conosciamoci/.../la_caserma_di_caperana.pdf
    http://www.marina.difesa.it/conosci...telmilit/Documents/la_caserma_di_caperana.pdf

    You will also be interested in some excellent water colours done by Scotsman Horace Wade whilst in the camp. Don't be surprised that some of them are views of the surrounding area as the prisoners were taken occasionally taken out on walks

    Campo 52 - Love from Scotland

    I have the Swiss Legation reports on conditions in the camp. There were eight inspections, between April 1942 and 7 September 1943, the day before the armistice. They give rather a glowing report of the camp _ 'one of the best' - which contrasts somewhat with the testimonies in the War Crimes Files (There are four files which I will transcribe in due course).

    An interesting thing about the camp is that Filippo Zavatteri, the adjutant to the camp commander Col. Dino Castelli Taddei, took away all the prisoners' records after the armistice and kept them safely at home. They are now lodged in the Telecommunications Museum in Chiavari - given to the museum by Zavatteri's son Fabio whom I met on my recent visit. Geoff Muir from New Zealand who has posted on this site visited the museum in June of this year.

    Some men from PG 52 were sent to Lamsdorf in July 1943 before the Armistice. I have a list somewhere on a USB key and will check it out later to see if your father was on it,

    Regards

    Vitellino
     
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  9. vitellino

    vitellino Senior Member

    Below are your father's registrations in both Campo PG 52 (in a document held in the National Archives, London, catalogue number WO 392/21) and Stalag 344 Lamsdorf (WO 392/1)

    I have just checked the list of men sent to Lamsdorf in July 1943 and your father isn't on it. He probably left the camp when it was emptied by the occupying German forces between 13-17 September and the prisoners were sent to Germany and Poland by train.

    WO 392/21 Prisoners held in Italy

    T. Watson RASC WO 392 21.jpg

    WO 392/1 Prisoners held in Germany/German occupied territories

    T.Watson RASC WO 392 1.jpg

    Vitellino
     
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  10. vitellino

    vitellino Senior Member

    I have found that the first link I posted doesn't work unless you copy it and paste.

    Here are some items from it including two photos showing prisoners and one of the military in hospital in Chiavari - right on the seafront- to where sick prisoners who couldn't be treated in the camp infirmary were sent. The Swiss Legation inspectors 'waxed lyrical' about the views from the windows.
     

    Attached Files:

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  11. vitellino

    vitellino Senior Member

    Thought I'd post this cobbled-together map for good measure. The original wartime maps are from Texas University collection (online).

    Regards

    Vitellino
     

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