oversmock: painted sign identification

Discussion in 'Airborne' started by Ludo68000, Aug 26, 2018.

  1. Cee

    Cee Senior Member Patron

    Hi,

    I believe the men shown boarding the 3 tonner lorries were with 5th Parachute Brigade HQ and the DZ flash seen is theirs. According to the HQ war diary they were flown from Fairford in 7 Stirling aircraft, CNs 165-171. See IWM film in post #52

    Capt. Guy Radmore who commanded K Section, 5th Brigade Signals shows up in one of the photos taken at the Harwell transit camp. He describes briefly his experience at the camp and later at RAF Fairford in an IWM interview. At Fairford he was witness to the impressive service given by Padre Parry of the 7th Parachute Battalion before takeoff.

    The most lorries for this group seen in one scene is 6 from No.170 forward. Apparently Capt. Radmore jumped with a bicycle into Normandy. Interestingly two men with bicycles can been seen near the cab of lorry 170. No idea if either is actually Capt. Radmore? As the 5th Brigade vehicles drive off they pass a line of unnumbered vehicles in the background also loaded with men.

    Landing Craft - Gliders (1944).mp4_06.59.jpg Landing Craft - Gliders (1944).mp4_07.02.jpg Landing Craft - Gliders (1944).mp4_07.04.jpg

    Of course having said all that it could turn out to be otherwise.

    Regards ...
     
  2. Ben14

    Ben14 Active Member

    so the insignia in cross are reserved for the HQ brigade, but with inverted colors:

    5th para brigade black cross - 3 para brigade withe cross.
     

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  3. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    Just spotted this online, belonged to Lt Fleming who commanded "Jock" Platoon of 7th Parachute Battalion, this was made up mostly of ex-12th Cameronians men


    CAM.B172_01Th-768x806.jpg
     
  4. Cee

    Cee Senior Member Patron

    Hi AB64,

    A very nice oversmock with DZ flash. Lt. Robert "Haggis" Fleming was Commander of 3 Platoon, 'A' Coy, 7th Parachute Battalion. According to the the book "The Tale Of Two Bridges" Lt. Fleming was seriously injured during street fighting training.

    Lt Fleming  Wounded Book.jpg

    His Platoon was taken over by Lt. David Hunter who in his account writes:

    "I found the mainly English Officers of the 7th Paras very friendly and welcoming. There were 2 other Scots Officers "Mac" Macdonald and "Haggis" Fleming and I became known as "Jock". I was put in a reserve company, but shortly after I arrived poor "Haggis" was injured in a grenade accident. As his platoon contained a number of Scotsmen, the CO asked me to take it over in preference to several other English Officers who had been in the reserve company longer than me. Had it not been for this accident I would have missed D-Day."

    I'm not sure what became of Lt. Fleming afterwards. He Is not listed on the Varsity Orbat on the Pegasus Archive.

    Regards ...
     
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  5. Ben14

    Ben14 Active Member

    nice oversmock , where did you find this pictures???
     
  6. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    Cameronian blog (apps-1and1.net) Looks like the smock may be held by South Lanarkshire Council, but I can't recall seeing it in the Low Parks Museum which incorporates the Cameronians collection (although its a while since I've been). The page is interesting, the letter from the Bruneval casualty is worth a look
     
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  7. In the video, my father Thomas Alfred Smith RCofS is shown holding a container into which a live pigeon is being pushed. Also the IMW has a still from that or taken at the same time .. it looks like a white cross on his back. 12th battalion were 5th Brigade
     
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  8. I con confirm this - My father is in the landing craft video - he has a white cross on his back - RCofS 12th Battalion parachute reg
     
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  9. That's my dad, holding the pigeon container - Cprl Thomas Alfred Smith
     
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  10. My Dad in that video
     
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  11. Uncle Target

    Uncle Target Mist over Dartmoor

    Thats me in the picture, an Army Cadet about fourteen in my highly desirable Para Smock. My next door neighbour was a Sgt in the Paras. Always wanted to be one until I saw a film of the Tarzan Assault Course.
    No safety ropes, nets, or parachutes!
     

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  12. Si Tinley

    Si Tinley Grandad - Robert Steedman (12 Para Bn)

    Makes sense as the info I got is 12 Para we’re in chalks 172-203 from Keevil

     
  13. Cee

    Cee Senior Member Patron

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  14. Si Tinley

    Si Tinley Grandad - Robert Steedman (12 Para Bn)

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    Cee Senior Member Patron

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  16. Cee

    Cee Senior Member Patron

    Hi,

    Sgt Le-Quelenec's Pardata page tells us he actually flew in on CN 185:

    "He passed his parachute jump course in March 1944 and joined 12th (Yorks) Parachute Battalion as a Sergeant. As the Battalion prepared in Gloucestershire, as part of 6th Airborne Division for the planned invasion of North-west Europe, Sgt Le-Quelenec would be tasked as Jump Master from the Halifax bombers used for the drops in Normandy (the D-Day Op Order for 12th Bn records Sgt Le-Quelenec as Jump master for Aircraft No.185)."

    Regards ...
     
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  17. Si Tinley

    Si Tinley Grandad - Robert Steedman (12 Para Bn)

    Yes the document you sent is what I’d go with too. Good stuff thanks Cee

    QUOTE="Cee, post: 1004402, member: 19891"]Hi,

    Sgt Le-Quelenec's Pardata page tells us he actually flew in on CN 185:

    "He passed his parachute jump course in March 1944 and joined 12th (Yorks) Parachute Battalion as a Sergeant. As the Battalion prepared in Gloucestershire, as part of 6th Airborne Division for the planned invasion of North-west Europe, Sgt Le-Quelenec would be tasked as Jump Master from the Halifax bombers used for the drops in Normandy (the D-Day Op Order for 12th Bn records Sgt Le-Quelenec as Jump master for Aircraft No.185)."

    Regards ...[/QUOTE]
     
  18. Cee

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  19. brithm

    brithm Senior Member

    13th Parachute Battalion Machine Gun Platoon made up of two sticks jumped with 12th Parachute Battalion and took off from Keevil airfield

    Chalk No. 204 'H' 13 Para MG Shot Down
    Chalk No. 205 'D' 13 Para MG
    Chalk No. 206 'N' HQ 6th Airborne Capt. Guy Radmore 'K' Section 5th Parachute Brigade

    On 12 Para Operation order Le-Quelenc appears to be in Chalk Number 185 where he was Jump Master.
     
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  20. Cee

    Cee Senior Member Patron

    Lo,

    This might be of interest - looking up and down the aircraft line-up at RAF Keevil on June 5th, 1944.

    RAF Keevil - D-Day-View Up.jpg RAF Keevil - D-Day-View Down.jpg

    Regards ...

    Added:

    A PDF based on this thread can be downloaded from here:

    Drop Zone Flash.pdf - Icedrive
     
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