Oradour-sur-Glane

Discussion in 'NW Europe' started by Rich Payne, Dec 5, 2011.

  1. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    76 years.

    "Down this road, on a summer day in 1944, the soldiers came..."

     
  2. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    The French Official Report on the Oradour sur Glane atrocity Oradour sur Glane official report 001 (2).jpg
     
  3. Buteman

    Buteman 336/102 LAA Regiment (7 Lincolns), RA

    Saw a copy years ago for 2 Euros. No one was interested and the seller almost gave it to me for nothing. Another sad story that should not be forgotten. 88 pages.

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  4. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    The mind doors bounce around all over the place hither and yon
    but

    This door sign always stands out.

    "Down this road, on a summer day in 1944, the soldiers came..."
     
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  5. Buteman

    Buteman 336/102 LAA Regiment (7 Lincolns), RA

    This was the first series I watched about WW2. I could not wait to see the next episode and was only sixteen. As they say, catch them young. It always remember the part about Oradour-sur-Glane. Wanted to visit, but never quite got there.
     
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  6. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    German confusion between Oradour sur Glane and Oradour sur Vayres, has been claimed by German sources but never proved, the latter being regarded as a hive of resistance where maquis personnel were said to be operating from. There is no evidence that resistant groups were operating from Oradour sur Glane which lies 25km NNE from Oradour sur Vayres.

    In April 1944,the Das Reich 2nd Panzer Division left the Russian front to be deployed in SW France based at Montauban for refitting and preparations for the anticipated invasion of Europe. They had the culture of murdering civilians in Russia where the death of civilians were recorded as being the elimination of partisans. This conduct continued but became intensive after D Day. Vigorous patrols/excursions into the countryside was a feature of their anti resistance operations against resistant activity and usually resulted in the deaths of innocents and irregulars alike.

    One of the best informative sources covering the deployment of the Das Reich SS Division in SW France is Max Hastings's Das Reich. Resistance and the march of the 2nd SS Panzer Division through France, June 1944 .It gives a good insight to the activities of the occupier, the resistants and the fate of the citizens of Oradour,Tulle and other villages in the path of destruction from Montauban to Normandy.
     
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  7. ltdan

    ltdan Nietenzähler

    On 28 May 1944, Goebbels wrote an article in the "Völkischer Beobachter" (to justify the murder of Allied airmen by the German mob):
    "The pilots cannot plead that as soldiers they were acting under orders. There is no provision in any court-martial for a soldier to be absolved of punishment for a heinous crime by invoking his superior officer, especially when the latter's orders are blatantly at variance with every human morality and every international practice of warfare."

    Oh, really?! The only thing that comes to mind:
    All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. A proclamation by the pigs who control the government.
    George Orwell.
     
  8. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

  9. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

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  10. Dave55

    Dave55 Atlanta, USA

    Concur :)
     
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  11. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    I would not think there was time for a formal photograph for the SS Reich Division was continually at battlefield status as it passed up to Normandy from Montauban.

    I am sure the photograph would fail to pass validation and it's not as if the photograph bears some linkage with a Bundesarchiv source if it was taken at the Montauban base.
     
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  12. JimHerriot

    JimHerriot Ready for Anything

    That photo must have been taken on the day the chap in the foreground handed in his MP38/40 in exchange for pieces of wood held at right-angles to each other. Plus, the "flare pistol" looks like it was knocked up out of a couple of Klim tins.

    Italian and German movie archives to be scoured for the culprit responsible for said photograph.

    Kind regards, always,

    Jim.
     
  13. JimHerriot

    JimHerriot Ready for Anything

    I've not even started in on the Italian or German filmic side yet Adam, started with the French instead.

    Use of same image within the page here (link below)

    Note that the photo credit within this time is "PHOTOSVINTIGAGES-AFP" so it's done the rounds to some extent.

    The more I (unfortunately!) look at the photo makes me think that whoever is responsible for the original attribution needs a right rifting (given the nature of the associated subject matter).

    The chap in the foreground with wooden(?) smg has clearly been issued with a hand written cardboard cut out "Feldgendarmerie" breast plate, suspended by what looks like fuse wire, not to mention the needlepoint (failed at least three times) shitehawk swastika on his left sleeve.

    That photo and caption(s) is the worst kind of bleedin' awful "re-enactment"(?) nonsense, both written and imagery (and I've posted the image up below the link too so folks can see what's got my goat with it)

    Kind regards, spitting bullets,

    Jim.

    P.S. Pin-stripe trousers anyone?

    Un rescapé d'Oradour-sur-Glane : "Les copains morts qui me sont tombés dessus m’ont sauvé la vie"

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  14. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    I keep thinking 'French', with no real explanation why. Just looks 'French film' to me.
    Some sort of comedy even a possibility.

    Nothing on any of the wider reverse picture searches using Chinese engines etc. either.
     
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  15. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    The chap at the front Looks like one of Owens lads 1/16 chaps
     
  16. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    However as posted before

     
  17. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    1/6th ;)
     
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  18. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Im shorter than you so to me its 1/16
     
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  19. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

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  20. Marco

    Marco Senior Member

    shorter should be longer
     

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