Opinions on SS German Belt Buckle

Discussion in 'WW2 Militaria' started by johnpoole45, Oct 7, 2017.

  1. johnpoole45

    johnpoole45 Member

    looking for opinions on this German Belt Buckle does it look to be original or not ? made of steel marked RZM 36/42 and SS. ss.jpg ss2.jpg
    Thanks Tim
     
  2. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    look at internet states a known fake
     
  3. canuck

    canuck Token Colonial Patron

    But a good one. At least to my untrained eye.
     
  4. idler

    idler GeneralList

    It's pretty obvious, really - they put the waist range in inches
     
  5. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    A fake.
    Here is a photo of an original buckle.
    Note the casting of the letters numbers a Runes.

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  6. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    So the difference is that the real one has cast/raised markings, whereas the dodgy one has punched?
    (Appreciate this is a minefield, just curious.)
     
  7. 8RB

    8RB Active Member

    Could anyone please explain what differences I should look for? Can't see any apart from some rust...
     
  8. idler

    idler GeneralList

    I may be missing something more obvious, but the biggest differences seem to the the asymmetry of the RZM's M and the longer top stroke of the first S of SS on the original.
     
  9. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    In a nutshell Adam.
    Apparently a hord of about 50 originals were found and sold very fast to those collecters of such memorabilia, but as usual someone thought that they could produce replicas, which apparently were churned out in Eastern Europe and the rest is history so to speak.
    Always someone out there willing to cheat and take a lot of money from unsuspecting customers.
    They do look well weathered but the stamped letters and numbers let it down.

    Hope that helps thinking of purchasing these types of items.

    Regards
    Tom
     
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  10. idler

    idler GeneralList

    Are they really raised? Or is the brain being fooled by a light source below the buckle (cf. air photo interpretation)? Why would rust form on the raised part with 'polished' metal beside it?
    (Apologies if I'm being thick this morning.)
     
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  11. Dave55

    Dave55 Very Senior Member

    I agree. I think the original buckles were entirely stamped. Why would the the eagle and crest be cast in relief on the back side of the buckle? Looks like it was stamped in from the back like the numbers on a car license plate.
     
  12. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    And here we see, once again, why German militaria has spawned several 'spotting the fakes' books...

    How much does an SS buckle go for these days? Timed it just wrong when I last fancied a Heer Gott Mit Uns one - no longer £10-20.

    Oo-er. Googled SS buckles.
    Yeah. That'll trigger a fake market.
     
  13. 8RB

    8RB Active Member

    This whole discussion makes one feel even better to be collecting just "ordinary" British infantry items... :)
     
  14. johnpoole45

    johnpoole45 Member

    interesting reading and thanks for the posts please keep your thoughts coming.

    Tim
     
  15. ceolredmonger

    ceolredmonger Member

    In the 1980's I had the pleasure of meeting a former British Army Captain in Occupied Germany - 1946-47. Great effort was put into keeping the population busy and rebuilding an economy to promote de-nazification. British Officers were given responsibility to get former factories working - he got a die stamping factory. Between legitimate work they were using wartime (supposedly destroyed) dies to knock out 'restrikes' of the whole gamut of German medals and badges. These were sold to comrades as battle relics. They even assembled display boards of sets. Ex-servicemen provided 'authentic' issue marks. Apparently similar things happened in Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland....
     
  16. ceolredmonger

    ceolredmonger Member

    As an aside. I am always a bit wary of these posts - If I was wanting to see if my forging skills were up to scratch - I can think of nothing better (and safer) than to post an image on this type of board with "what do you people think of this" and see what needs refining.....
     

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