Op Veritable: the Canadian attack on Wyler, 8 Feb 1945

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  1. stolpi

    stolpi Well-Known Member

    Canuck - It's hard to tell. There is no information available of German losses.

    The Calgaries were confronted by a three company infantry battalion, which I guess amounted to a rifle strength of approximately 350 men (company's average strength being 100 men and also counting for extra personnel such as staff, communications, support etc.). Assuming that the Calgaries cut-off the bulk of the defenders in Wyler, this must have been about the total number of men lost by the Germans. Of these 287 (plus another twelve next day) were taken POW, which most likely also included the wounded, because these could not be evacuated to the rear. So fatal casualties on the German side would amount to about 50 men. But this is only a rough estimate.

    South of Wyler, at the Den Heuvel strong point, where Le Regiment de Maisonneuve overran two enemy companies (about 200 enemy rifles), a body count was made of the fallen enemy soldiers near the farm of Den Heuvel. According to the Ops Log of 5 Cdn Inf Brigade, the Maisonneuves had counted 60 enemy dead visible on the battlefield by 17:30 hrs.
     
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  2. stolpi

    stolpi Well-Known Member

    Killed Cdn soldiers at Wyler.jpg
    After the battle this gruesome find was made in one of the derelict houses of Wyler: the bodies of two fallen Canadian soldiers. They still carry their white camouflage smocks and most likely perished during one of the numerous patrols or raids earlier that winter (photo courtesy Canuck)
     
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  3. canuck

    canuck Token Colonial Patron

    From National Archives of Canada, PA-161313. It lists the date of death as February 9th, while on patrol.
     
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  4. stolpi

    stolpi Well-Known Member

    Another picture from the National Archives of Canada :

    Wyler Feb 9.jpg
    Pte L.B. Leddy of the Calgary Highlanders standing on guard in front of a house in Wyler, Germany, 9 February 1945
     
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  5. stolpi

    stolpi Well-Known Member

    War Diary Calgary Highlanders, 8 to 10 Feb 45

    DSCF1802 8 Feb.jpg DSCF1803 8 Feb.jpg DSCF1804 8 Feb.jpg

    War Diary 7th Field Coy RCE, 8 Feb 45

    7 Field Coy WD.jpg
     
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  6. besteric

    besteric Junior Member

    Pieter,

    Once again a terrific good account of the battle.

    Eric:salut:
     
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  7. stolpi

    stolpi Well-Known Member

    I'm looking for the regimental history of Le Régiment de Maisonneuve (pages dealing with the operations at Den Heuvel on 8 Feb 45), but thusfar was unable to find a copy.

    Could anyone supply me with the relevant pages?
     
  8. stolpi

    stolpi Well-Known Member

    ... still looking ...
     
  9. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Well-Known Member

    Ho Stolpi

    Not exactly what you are after but perhaps an interim fix

    HyperWar: The Victory Campaign [Chapter 18]
    "On The Calgary Highlanders' right Le Régiment de Maisonneuve found that the bombardment had greatly simplified their task. They occupied with little difficulty the shattered remains of Den Heuvel (where an officer counted 46 enemy dead"

    TD
     
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  10. stolpi

    stolpi Well-Known Member

    Thank you TD, but it's not Stacey I'm looking for. I hope to get the chapter from the Regimental History of the Regiment de Maisonneuves, assuming that it might give more detail of the plan of attack.
     
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  11. stolpi

    stolpi Well-Known Member

    8. "Bon Coeur & Bon Bras" Le Régiment de Maisonneuve at Den Heuvel

    Den Heuvel Painting.jpg

    Artist's impression of the clearing of Den Heuvel by the French Canadians of Le Régiment de Maisonneuve on Den Heuvel, 8 february 45.

    Attached the Regimental badge: the motto 'Bon Coeur & Bon Bras' can be translated as 'Good heart and strong arm'.
    Badge Regt Maison.jpg
     
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  12. stolpi

    stolpi Well-Known Member

    The mission of Le Régiment de Maisonneuve, the right hand formation of the 5th Cdn Inf Bde (CIB), was to take out the Den Heuvel strongpoint and advance on the right flank of the Calgary Highlanders towards the area of Hochstrasze across the German border. The Regiment's objectives were codenamed PINE (Den Heuvel), BAY (a farmbuilding hard east of Den Heuvel), MAPLE (on the Dutch/German border) and POPLAR (on the Wyler - Kranenburg road).

    Below the Trace Y, an annex to the 5th CIB Op Order for Veritable, which gives the objectives and report lines for the 5th CIB's operation (see also post #1 of this thread).

    Op Order 5th Bde trace Y.jpg
     
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  13. stolpi

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    The 'Den Heuvel' strongpoint

    The strongpoint was build around a few scattered farm- and outbuildings, grouped on or around a stretch of high ground which projected to the east of the Wylerbaan, the main road connecting Groesbeek and Wyler, at the time known as Wijlersche Baan. Though shallow, the feature distinctly protrudes above the surrounding lanscape, which sharply flattens to the east of the Wylerbaan, from this derives the location's name 'Den Heuvel': 'The Hill'.
    The enemy strongpoint is described by the Canadian Intell as follows:

    Int Report Veritable 2nd CIDiva.jpg

    Map with defense overlay of Den Heuvel:

    Den Heuvel Defensive Overlay.jpg

    Aerial of the Den Heuvel strongpoint taken on 14 January 45. The German trenches clearly stand out against the snowy background, as do the fresh shell craters and the Gliders scattered across the area. To the left the first houses of Vossendaal (courtesy Bedee).

    Aerial Den Heuvel JPEG a.jpg
     
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  14. stolpi

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    Plan of attack of the Maisonneuves

    Unlike the operation of the Calgary Highlanders, there is no detailed plan of attack available of Le Régiment de Maisonneuve. In absence of a Regimental History of the Maisonneuves, I have attempted to deduct the tactical deployment from the Maisonneuves' War Diary (which is far from detailed) and the messages from the Battle Logs of the 5th CIB and 2nd Cdn Inf Division.

    The operation of the Maisonneuves, commanded by Lt.Col. J. Bibeau, was a three company affair. Two companies ('B' and 'D') were deployed in the first wave of the attack. Unknown is which one was deployed to the right and to the left. Both had to clear the strongpoint of Den Heuvel (codenamed PINE). After this objective had been taken 'A' Coy, commanded by Major G.F. Charlebois, was to pass through and capture the objectives BAY and MAPLE, thereby advancing up to the German border. 'C' Coy, of Major Lacroix, was held in reserve.

    Sketch map of the plan of attack:
    Google Map aa.jpg

    Attached Lt. Col. Julien Bibeau, CO of Le Régiment de Maisonneuve:
    Lt Col Julien Bibeau.jpg
     
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  15. pamak

    pamak Junior Member

    Impressive!

    I have a question regarding the defense overprint with the German positions: There are two types of red marks for which I am not sure how to interpreter. One of them is depicted as "X" and the other one is like "Π". I went over the British handbook with the map tactical military symbols, and I think that the series of "X" (which form a line) may be "wire entanglement- single on post" On the other hand, I could not find anywhere a symbol resembling the "Π". At first, based on its relative position to the other symbols, I thought that it would depict mines, but the British handbook shows completely different symbols for mines.

    The manual I consulted is in the following link
    https://ia800301.us.archive.org/23/...ishArmy-1942/1942HandbookOnTheBritishArmy.pdf

    So, does anybody know how to interpreter these symbols?

    Thank you
     
  16. stolpi

    stolpi Well-Known Member

    Pamak - According to the "Defence Legend, for annotation of enemy defences in Western Europe (Edition December 1944)", the symbol with multiple 'XXXX' stands for wire; a single 'X' stands for Road-block (moveable); the upturned rows of 'UUUU' depict mines, whereas a single upturned 'U' is used for a demolition or crater site.

    Hope this is of assistance.
     
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  17. stolpi

    stolpi Well-Known Member

    On 8 Feb 45 The fighting elements of the Regiment had an early rise at 03:00 hrs. Guides of the Scout Platoon were in position by 05:00 hrs to lead the walking troops to the FUP, who were on the move by 06:00 hrs. This they did under the almost deafening din of the heavy artillery preparation, which had started at 05:00 hrs. By 07:30 all the fighting groups had gathered in the FUP in the wood at 759573 (a wood parcel just to the east of the present Canadian War Cemetery) in readiness to pass the Start Line at 10:30 hrs, the time set for the artillery barrage to lift.

    Trace X of the 5th CIB's Op Order, among others, gives the routes taken by the infantry to the FUPs:
    file 1.jpg
     
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  18. pamak

    pamak Junior Member

    Thank you for the reply.

    I wonder why they did not go with the standard symbols for mines...
    Thankfully, the rest of the symbols seem to be more or less the same
     
  19. Bedee

    Bedee Member

    Pamak,

    Theoretical and practical is in my opinion the answer. The book is made before 1942.
    During the war and during real actions people improved this knowledge, or adapted others

    When you look at the official symbol (a circle with for "legs") is also not easy to draw when you're in the first line.

    Main reason is the interoperability. Look at the Defence Legend of the British Geographical Section General Staff, made after 1942
    http://www.trailblazersww2.org/Maps/saarbrucken2.jpg
    There you see the (U shaped) mine symbol. More practical in use.
     
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  20. pamak

    pamak Junior Member

    Thank you for the answer. it makes sense...
     

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