Online Bullying

Discussion in 'Network Information, Suggestions and Feedback' started by Kip, Jul 22, 2019.

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  1. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    User Introduction - Southampton WW2
    Hi, I am a part-time Humanities teacher from Southampton. I am on local heritage forums on facebook and also have YouTUBE Channels including...
    Thread by: Kip, Saturday at 9:48 AM, 5 replies, in forum: User Introductions

    New Thread on D-Day?
    Hi, New to forum. Is there no thread/block specifically dedicated to D-Day or 1944? Kip
    Thread by: Kip, Saturday at 9:58 AM, 65 replies, in forum: Network Information, Suggestions and Feedback

    New Thread on D-Day?
    I have noticed that there is a tendency to focus on 1940. I feel the forum should have a section on 1944 or D-Day as well. If you look at my...
    Post by: Kip, Saturday at 10:12 AM in forum: Network Information, Suggestions and Feedback

    New Thread on D-Day?
    I think there needs to be a section devoted to 1944 called D-Day which includes sub-sections.
    Post by: Kip, Saturday at 10:18 AM in forum: Network Information, Suggestions and Feedback

    New Thread on D-Day?
    I think there is a need and now put it forward as a suggestion.
    Post by: Kip, Saturday at 10:26 AM in forum: Network Information, Suggestions and Feedback

    New Thread on D-Day?
    I feel as the replies illustrate the need for such a section.
    Post by: Kip, Saturday at 10:51 AM in forum: Network Information, Suggestions and Feedback

    These are just a few of the repetative statements


    What is it called when someone keeps bombarding you with stuff you dont want - isnt it a word that starts with a 'b' and ends up with 'ing'

    Sorry but it gets on my tits
    TD
     
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    Tricky Dicky, Jul 22, 2019
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  2. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    A response:

    'Walking' into an established fully-functioning (sort of) community & immediately suggesting it be bent to their will is about the most rude/pompous thing an internet user can do.
    If someone's been engaged for a while then nobody gives a toss what's said, but pushing for change on day one just isn't cricket.

    On many sites such a start might have been 'virtually' torn to pieces by the teenage membership, but the adults here took the Michael a bit, invited you to settle in first, and some agreed with your request, while discussing the point along the way.
    All interacting as each saw fit, being free members of a site that works by a culture of self-'moderation'.

    If someone thinks that's 'internet bullying', I might suggest they try a wider casting of their net around the internerd. I've reread that thread, and nope; light stuff.

    'Torrents of abuse' are reserved around here for the occasional Neo-Nazi & Holocaust denier that inevitably pop up on WW2 sites. What you got was 'how adults talk to each other'.
    (Though even there, torrents aren't necessary as we have an unwritten culture of talking about comestibles in replies that usually enrages them before they realise their mission is futile.)

    I banned a real person for the first time in years recently.
    It felt very odd, as the place self-regulates in a remarkable manner.
    It's been compared to a pub*, where the clientele have a disturbing amount of knowledge on WW2, but are also there for a chat & a bit of light entertainment.
    Nothing wrong with that.

    You stand on your own two feet.
    If someone doesn't like it, they're free to leave.
    If they can handle it, they're free to stay.
    Nobody here is going to 'moderate' perfectly civilised (if occasionally robust) conversation, though. Ever.
    Try doing that in a pub.

    ~A



    *
    It's a bloody strange pub where nobody's ever been charged for anything excepting a voluntary donations bin, people are often taken by the hand into another room, not for 'that', but for a detailed analysis of family military history, the barman is nearly seven foot tall with an MA in sarcasm, the landlord seems to have a grudge against everything except tanks, the barmaid goes around putting labels on everything and a clientele of dangerously obsessive loons serious types quite often talk to themselves.
    It is an essentially British pub, though, where Septics may receive an above-average level of initial abuse, but those that can weather the storm and give some back are welcomed as a proper local much more quickly than in most villages, before being told our sleeping owner is in fact a North American.

    But the analogy stands.
    Sort of.
     
    von Poop, Jul 22, 2019
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  3. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

    Try discussing D-Day in this pub ...
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    Guy Hudson, Jul 22, 2019
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  4. Markyboy

    Markyboy Member

    Had to admit to a chuckle here. You admin and moderator chaps do a cracking job condensing threads and silencing the neo-Nazi nutters so I'm sure you could do without the extra work from prima donna snowflakes.
     
    Markyboy, Jul 22, 2019
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  5. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Chaps - I'm sure dbf will have something to say about that - and by the way her husband is a 6' 4" judo black belt

    TD
     
    Tricky Dicky, Jul 22, 2019
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  6. stolpi

    stolpi Well-Known Member

    :pipe: ... I simlpy love this place
     
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    stolpi, Jul 22, 2019
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  7. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Fixed that for you TD. ;)

    Chap is fine. (Chapette sounds like something requiring medical attention) :D
     
    dbf, Jul 22, 2019
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  8. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    So Owen, is this what I've been missing whilst drinking Pimms with the Red Arrows over the weekend?
     
    Drew5233, Jul 22, 2019
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  9. Markyboy

    Markyboy Member

    Ha Ha! Chaps is a universal term of endearment! This is 2019 so I can't differentiate with chaps and chapettes now can I...…….

    I'm 6foot7 with all the combat skills of a drunken giraffe, so it could be an interesting challenge in the ring getting clobbered with a mixture of karate chops and George Formby riffs!
     
    Markyboy, Jul 22, 2019
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  10. Shiny 9th

    Shiny 9th Member

    I have been using this site for some years. I have watched the way some very good judgements have been made by moderators on some very tricky subjects. I made a suggestion years ago about a certain Regiment having its own page and understood that the idea was "left on the table". I don't expect to see this happen but accept the decision of the admins who have a difficult job to do as volunteers and I appreciate all the work they put into it. This is a fantastic web site. Novices are always helped and encouraged, with incredible research willingly shared. Often these newbies turn out to be one post wonders who only want to take info about a family member, and then vanish or never come back with the fruits of the own research. The people contribute nothing but are still treated with respect.
    New members do need patience, especially if they have some knowledge already, because they have to learn how to fit in. There are serious experts who in turn need respect for all they do to help novices.We also have some very treasured Veterans who experienced all the trauma of battle in awful conditions. So complaining about bullying on the first day of membership of a free website with vast resources seems rather lacking in emotional intelligence to me.
     
    Shiny 9th, Jul 23, 2019
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  11. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Thanks for your kind words despite your disappointment. Your contributions are also appreciated.
    You never know though; even if I said "not yet" a while back, vP is still a contrarian. I hadn't forgotten your request from ages ago when I recently posted a message about Tags on your Profile page.

    One pro of Tagging is that every relevant thread can automatically be 'gathered together', from all over, at a click of a button and should illustrate if a sufficient mass of info has been achieved.

    (However, something I've noticed with the 20 or so battalions gathered under Bde of Guards, there is a con to sub-sections dedicated to Regiments: a small one but a trade-off nevertheless. When threads about the various battalions are started/collated under one heading, they can receive/generate less contributions from members with specific knowledge of eg Theatres/POW/Military Genealogy/Service Records, etc.)

    So far, I've found...
    royal sussex regiment | WW2Talk

    with overlaps -
    1 royal sussex regiment | WW2Talk
    2 royal sussex regiment | WW2Talk
    5 royal sussex regiment | WW2Talk
    7 royal sussex regiment | WW2Talk
    9 royal sussex regiment | WW2Talk
     
    dbf, Jul 23, 2019
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  12. Incredibledisc

    Incredibledisc Well-Known Member

    Just wanted to chip in my tuppence and second this post as very much mirroring my own experience since coming here a few years back when I started digging into my family’s WW2 experiences. Pretty much everyone I’ve met here has been unfailingly polite, respectful and willing to provide the benefit of their expertise without asking a thing in return and I in turn have tried my best to emulate that standard ever since.

    I’ve read the other thread by the OP and feel attempting to classify some of the responses as bullying or harassment is a severe over-reaction. A request was made, it was politely explained why any changes were unlikely to happen and there was a bit of good natured ribbing from some in response to further posts from the OP who seemed unwilling to accept the knock back along with more than a few posts praising the OP’s YouTube channel and suggesting that he had something positive to contribute that other members would be interested in seeing. Rather than take it on the chin the OP appears to have got target a large bee in their bonnet and seems hell bent on stirring things up further for reasons best known to themselves.

    The internet is a big place - perhaps it would be best if the OP set up their own forum so that they can have a place to create whichever threads they desire and set their very own standards of conduct for members rather than attempt to impose them on a long established forum.
     
    Incredibledisc, Jul 23, 2019
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  13. Vintage Wargaming

    Vintage Wargaming Well-Known Member

    I’ve only seen one person exhibiting bullying behaviour in this thread.
     
    Vintage Wargaming, Jul 23, 2019
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  14. Dave55

    Dave55 Atlanta, USA

    Bullying about Normandy :)

     
    Dave55, Jul 23, 2019
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  15. canuck

    canuck Closed Account

    An amusing thread but disappointed that I searched in vain for the torrent of abuse.

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    canuck, Jul 23, 2019
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  16. minden1759

    minden1759 Senior Member

    One of the wonderful things about being an old git is that you can say what you like. I am that man.

    I have been on this site for years now and find the participants to be generous and helpful. The administrators and moderators are top notch.

    When a jumped up little urchin like Kip pops up with a mouth that is too bleeding wide - to quote the D Day Dodgers, I say to him that this site was here well before his putrid observations and will be here, well run by our band of excellent administrators and moderators, long after he has left. The quicker he leaves the better and then we can all get back to sharing our knowledge and enjoying doing so.

    F
     
    minden1759, Jul 23, 2019
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  17. stolpi

    stolpi Well-Known Member

    I fully agree with the overreacting and the big mouth part of the previous poster.

    Kip in Dutch means chicken. In Holland we have an expression for behaviour like this: acting as a "Kip zonder Kop". Translated: behaving like a headless chicken.

    I think enough 'digibites' have flown on this subject and hope all will return to normallity again. Though I still trully regret being denied a Rhineland 1945 thread :pipe:.
     
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    stolpi, Jul 23, 2019
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  18. stolpi

    stolpi Well-Known Member

    BTW I'm currently in Schleswig and today visited the nearby Dannevirke ... site of the 1864 battle between Denmark and Prussia/Austria aka Bismarck's first War.

    In a few days will have a look at Dybbol as well just across the border in Denmark. The Danish Sedan.

    I guess I have to move to a different forum for that ....
     
    stolpi, Jul 23, 2019
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  19. Tom OBrien

    Tom OBrien Senior Member

    Well, you could try the (very) 'Pre-war' section!
     
    Tom OBrien, Jul 23, 2019
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  20. Buteman

    Buteman 336/102 LAA Regiment (7 Lincolns), RA

    Thanks Stolpi. I've been laughing since Kip started to post, as I knew it was the Dutch word for chicken. It goes well with a cone of frites and mayonnaise.:cool:

    I joined this place in 2008, so I know when an individual is being unreasonable. As in life, you need to earn respect not demand it. It is also an insult to Dutch chickens everywhere. :peepwalla:
     
    Buteman, Jul 23, 2019
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