Occupational Classes, Trades, Grades and Ranks

Discussion in 'Service Records' started by fixit9660, Mar 22, 2012.

  1. fixit9660

    fixit9660 Member

    Hello All,

    I don't know if this will end up as four separate (sticky?) threads or not but here goes:

    What is the Rank of Driver i/c and is there a Driver i/b?
    What is the Trade of Driver Mechanic DII and is there a Driver Mechanic DI?
    Occupational (Sub?)Class of a Driver appears to be 194.8 with and Industry Group of RM but why?
    Sorry if I appear to be leaping around over four differennt subjects but they're all mentioned on my Grandfathers Service record.
    I guess I'm asking what variations in different Ranks, Trades, Occupational Classes, and Grades existed?
    (Trust the Army to take a Civvy Taxi Driver and classify him 6 ways from Christmas! :lol:)
    Thanks,
    Andrew.
     

    Attached Files:

  2. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    they're all mentioned on my Grandfathers Service record.
    For that reason have moved thread to the Service Records section of the forum from 'General.'
     
  3. fixit9660

    fixit9660 Member

    Apologies for mis-posting, and thank you Owen for sorting.
     
  4. RemeDesertRat

    RemeDesertRat Very Senior Member

    Driver I/c is Driver of Internal combustion engines I believe.
     
  5. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    fixit9660
    as REME points out the classification Driver i/c means that he is trained to drive a vehicle with wheels and an internal combustion engine - in the Army way none of this civilian nonsense

    Driver Mech is trained to drive a tracked vehicle - grade III & II only

    Similarly a wireless op was trained to operate a wireless to grade III and II only

    Industrial classifications were merely a guide and in the example of the Taxi driver - he would probably end up on the cook house ...peeling spuds

    Cheers
    Cheers
     
  6. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Andrew

    I will throw in my two penny's worth just to add to the general knowledge.

    After 6 weeks basic training in Oct '42 I was posted to an RA Signals Training Rgt and after a twelve week course found myself designated D/Op Class II, meaning I was qualified to drive & maintain a vehicle and operate various wireless sets.

    When in Dec '44 my unit was disbanded, I was posted to an RAC Training Rgt where I subsequently passed out as a Loader/Op although I was never to find official confirmation in my records. This now meant I was trained to drive tracked vehicles, fire the various armaments on a Sherman tank and operate the same wireless set (The 19 set) that I had used in the RA.

    After the war had ended in Italy I volunteered to be re-trained as a Tech-Storeman and finished my service as Cpl/Tech Storeman Class II.

    If you think it's worth the effort, go to my Profile and you will find an album that holds all my Army Records so that you can trace the evolution :)

    Ron
     
  7. fixit9660

    fixit9660 Member

    Gents that is wonderful, thank you.

    I assume there were various classes of Driver Mechanic, DII being just one of them. Presumably a CI or A1 would be better and best classes?

    Cheers

    Andrew.
     
  8. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Fixit - NO - see posting #5
    Cheers
     
  9. Wills

    Wills Very Senior Member

    Search: army trades pay (Hansard) 1940s



    Mr. Shinwell There are no unskilled Army trades. Army trades are arranged in three groups, A, B and C, in a descending order of difficulty and time required in attaining proficiency. There are three degrees of skill, Classes III, II and I, in each Army trade which correspond with the grades of learner, journeyman and master craftsman where there is an equivalent trade in industry. The several rates of pay reflect the time required and difficulty in attaining proficiency in each class of each trade
     
  10. fixit9660

    fixit9660 Member

    Tom, see posting 9?

    ...and I can't see the logic in having a III and II without having a I....

    Wills, Army trades are arranged in three groups, A, B and C,
    ...so what is D then please? See my attachement posting 1.

    Andy.
     
  11. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Fixit
    No attachment to your initial posting - but any grade of 1 was not usually in normal ranks but specialists mainly such as REME - with real engineers - Signals- where we had many ex Post office people teaching morse code etc....

    The classification method took a while to get right as I recall a Private on
    Kitchen duties answering a General in Greek - he was an Oxbridge don teaching Latin and Greek- he soon became an Officer - finished the war as Brig .Gen in Intelligence - his name - Enoch Powell M.P. - he of the prophetic Birmingham speech of 1968
    Cheers
     
  12. Wills

    Wills Very Senior Member

    Very remiss of the late: Emanuel "Manny" Shinwell, Baron Shinwell CH, PC (18 October 1884 – 8 May 1986), familiarly known as Manny, was a British trade union official, Labour politician, Not to put D in the grades!
     
  13. fixit9660

    fixit9660 Member

    Hi Tom,

    The posting attachment should be there but I think you answered the post faster than I could attach it; too fast for me :D.

    Ah I see, a sort of "expert" grade. A bit difficult to have an "expert" driver, I will grant you.

    Morse Code, hmm I remember that --. .---- -.- -... -.. . --- --. -.- .-

    Prophetic indeed!

    Cheers

    Andy
     
  14. Wills

    Wills Very Senior Member

    1942:


    The Joint Under-Secretary of State for War (Mr. Arthur Henderson) The pay of Army tradesmen varies according to their 1563 service and their trade classification. The daily rate of pay of a private tradesman clerk is from 3s. 9d. to 5s. 9d.; a private tradesman fitter from 4s. 3d. to 6s. 9d. A gunner who belongs to the crew of an armoured fighting vehicle is normally expected to qualify as either a gunner mechanic or a gunner operator. The former is paid from 3s. 9d. to 5s. 0d. and the latter from 3s. 9d. to 5s. 6d. a day. A gunner not so qualified would be paid from 3s. 0d. to 4s. 9d. according to his service and proficiency.

    I will try and hunt down the D classification.
     
  15. RemeDesertRat

    RemeDesertRat Very Senior Member

    The classification method took a while to get right as I recall a Private on
    Kitchen duties answering a General in Greek - he was an Oxbridge don teaching Latin and Greek- he soon became an Officer - finished the war as Brig .Gen in Intelligence - his name - Enoch Powell M.P. - he of the prophetic Birmingham speech of 1968
    Cheers

    Interesting, I didn't know that - but I remember the speech.
     
  16. Wills

    Wills Very Senior Member

    I do here in the most solemn and bitter manner curse the Prime Minister of England [sic] for having cumulated all his other betrayals of the national interest and honour, by his last terrible exhibition of dishonour, weakness and gullibility. The depths of infamy to which our accurst "love of peace" can lower us are unfathomable

    Extract of letter to the PM, pre war - guess which one!


    Private Royal Warwickshire Regt to Brigadier!
     
  17. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Wills - not too big a strain on the brain - has to be WSC to Neville

    Cheers
     
  18. Wills

    Wills Very Senior Member

    The days of parliamentary orators one of the great wordsmiths.
     
  19. fixit9660

    fixit9660 Member

    Gents,

    Can anyone shed any light on the meaning of the manually added/stamped panel in the bottom right hand corner please?

    Thanks

    Andy.
     
  20. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    fixit-
    looks like a company clerk double checking his entries - not meaningful except to him
    Cheers
     

Share This Page