Norman Wills RN help locating death certificate

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  1. James Harvey

    James Harvey Senior Member

    all I’m trying to find date of death to no avail

    He must have died as there is a 1939 register entry

    moD confirm correct birth date and address but cannot get his records without a death certificate

    The one I provided was for 10/2/23 but have been informed wrong date and place

    His correct Date of birth 9/2/23 in Ashton in Warwickshire

    Any help greatly appreciated

    Regards

    James
     

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  2. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Hi James

    The one below will be the one that was rejected - posting here for clarity as his middle name is shown and hopefully others will also be able to discount him from possible searches

    England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
    Name: Norman Stanley Wills
    Death Age: 75
    Birth Date: 10 Feb 1923
    Registration Date: May 1998
    Registration district: Wandsworth
    Inferred County: Greater London
    Register Number: E76A
    District and Subdistrict: 2561E

    Still looking for the real Norman
    TD
     
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  3. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    The real Norman Wills in terms of James's search

    England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1916-2007
    Name: Norman Wills
    Registration Date: 1923
    Registration district: Birmingham
    Inferred County: West Midlands
    Re-registration Year: 1923
    Mother's Maiden Name: Baker
    Volume Number: 6d
    Page Number: 577

    Checking against the 1939 Register birth date 9 Feb 1923
    He also had
    a sister Joyce 2 Apr 1927 - 1984 (Sandwell)
    a brother Stanley 10 Apr 1929 - 1991 (Solihull)

    Still no death cert though - I have sent a message to someone who created a tree with Joyce and asked the question if they have any more details of the family

    TD
     
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  4. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    OK also found his marriage details (I hope)

    England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
    Name: Winifred N Bayliss
    Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1943
    Registration district: Birmingham
    Inferred County: Warwickshire
    Spouse: Norman Wills
    Volume Number: 6d
    Page Number: 158

    Winifred also appears on a family tree and I have also asked that creator if they have any further details

    TD
     
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  5. James Harvey

    James Harvey Senior Member

    Thanks TD
     
  6. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    James

    I note his wife died in Nottingham 2001 and also one of his sons also died their in 2012, so started searching for a Wills that died in Nottingham sometime from 1945 (last son was born then) and have come across what I think is his death certificate

    England and Wales, Death Index, 2007-2015
    Name: Mr Norman Wills
    Gender: Male
    Age: 87
    Birth Date: 1922
    Death Date: 28 Oct 2009
    Residence Place at Death: Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
    Postal Code District: Ng11

    I note he doesnt have an actual birth date and to me it is an "about" 1922, however I guess obtaining a copy of this would help as it might show his son as an 'informant' etc

    Name: Winifred Nellie Wills
    Death Age: 80
    Birth Date: 1 Oct 1921
    Registration Date: Dec 2001
    Registration district: Nottingham
    Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
    Register Number: G82A
    District and Subdistrict: 6891G

    Name: Mr David Peter Wills [Son]
    Gender: Male
    Age: 67
    Birth Date: 1945
    Death Date: 3 Aug 2012
    Residence Place at Death: Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
    Postal Code District: Ng2

    TD
     
  7. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Just for info he had another son

    Kenneth Neville Wills 9 Aug 1944 - Sep 1981 (Died Southwark)

    TD
     
  8. James Harvey

    James Harvey Senior Member

    Thanks guys for your help

    Missed the Nottingham link when searching
     
  9. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    ????

    TD
     
  10. James Harvey

    James Harvey Senior Member

    Sorry TD was looking at another thread before replying on this one

    TD thanks for all your help

    Regards

    James
     
  11. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Hope it works as it doesnt show his exact date of birth, and even the year is not correct - be interested to know what they say.
    We can provide them with a trail of evidence if they want, birth, marriage, 1939, childrens births, deaths

    TD
     
  12. James Harvey

    James Harvey Senior Member

    TD
    Unfortunately as he died in 2009 I won’t be able to access his records for another 16 years, as he needs to have been dead for 25 years

    Thanks for your help

    Regards

    James
     
  13. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Not sure about that - my Dad died in 2001 and sent off for and recd his records in 2002. If you have a death cert then the application should be valid, if you dont have one then perhaps the 100 year rule or 25 year rule comes into play

    Under the scheme, and in recognition of the duty of care owed to the family of the deceased subject, for a period of 25 years following the date of death of the subject and without the consent of the next of kin, MOD will disclose only:
    surname
    forename
    rank
    service number
    regiment/corps
    place of birth
    age
    date of birth
    date of death where this occurred in service
    the date an individual joined the service
    the date of leaving
    good conduct medals (for example, Long Service and Good Conduct Medal (LS&GCM)), any orders of chivalry and gallantry medals (decorations of valour) awarded, some of which may have been announced in the London Gazette


    So they will disclose quite a bit of information, you will only receive FULL records after 25 years OR with consent from the next of kin

    TD
     
  14. James Harvey

    James Harvey Senior Member

    Next of kin and family can apply anytime.

    Researchers need to wait 25 years

    Thanks for all your help

    Regards

    James
     
  15. James Harvey

    James Harvey Senior Member

    TD

    Just spoken to MoD unless I can find a Nok to grant permission I will need to wait 25 years

    Many thanks again

    Regards

    James
     
  16. horsapassenger

    horsapassenger Senior Member

    I recently sent off for the records of somebody that died in 2013. I didn’t have any NoK consent and completed the requisite forms. Unfortunately the date of birth that was given on the death certificate was incorrect (4 years out) and to compound matters I didn’t have a service number. I therefore also sent a copy of the birth certificate, explaining the error on the death certificate, and I received his records within a couple of weeks. I was quite surprised at the level of detail that they provided me with about his military service. If you have his death certificate apply for his records!!
     
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  17. James Harvey

    James Harvey Senior Member

    I already know name service number date of birth and where born, I wanted to confirm his medals as I have his medals (all un-named ) and issue box. I also wanted to find what ships he served on,

    Regards

    James
     

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