No Headstone Only Turf:Second Engineer Officer J.D.Constable Merchant Navy S.S. Empire Pride (Gla

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  1. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    From CWGC
    Good morning Clive

    I attach a Cemetery map and have circled the grave site for JD Constable(but from the sound of your enquiry you have already had this?)

    On looking on our data base it states that the grave is unmarked as relative refused a headstone, but the Grave number is 96922 it is of level turf two back and 6 right of CH to Carter.

    CONSTABLE, JAMES DUNCAN

    Rank:
    Second Engineer Officer
    Trade:
    Offr.
    Date of Death:
    21/07/1944
    Age:
    40
    Regiment/Service:
    Merchant Navy

    S.S. Empire Pride (Glasgow).
    Grave Reference
    Div. A. Grave 2292.
    Cemetery
    NORTHAMPTON (DALLINGTON) CEMETERY
    Additional Information:
    Son of John Lewis Constable and Margaret Constable; husband of May Jeane Constable, of St. James' End, Northampton. M.I.MAR.E., A.M.I.MECH. E. M.I.F.
     

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  2. Deacs

    Deacs Well i am from Cumbria.

    What a shame his family refused to give him a headstone of even any sort of headstone a real pity.
     
  3. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Yes Michael

    First time I have come across this.


    regards
    Clive
     
  4. ritsonvaljos

    ritsonvaljos Senior Member

    If the next of kin did not want a headstone memorial their wishes should be respected. Nevertheless, he is still commemorated by the CWGC. Does anyone know of the cause of death?
     
  5. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Indeed ,which they are
     
  6. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Further information received from CWGC

    Good morning Clive

    I have some further information on this grave site for JD Constable.

    We have correspondence that states that the widow of JD Constable declined the offer of a Commission Headstone on a number of occasions. We also have correspondence regarding erecting a memorial headstone to which the Council had no objections. No other correspondence follows.

    We are at present following up on 58 Relative Refused cases and hopefully we can eventually commemorate JD Constable.

    Kind regards
     
  7. Buteman

    Buteman 336/102 LAA Regiment (7 Lincolns), RA

    Further information received from CWGC

    Good morning Clive

    I have some further information on this grave site for JD Constable.

    We have correspondence that states that the widow of JD Constable declined the offer of a Commission Headstone on a number of occasions. We also have correspondence regarding erecting a memorial headstone to which the Council had no objections. No other correspondence follows.

    We are at present following up on 58 Relative Refused cases and hopefully we can eventually commemorate JD Constable.

    Kind regards

    Wonder if they could get round it by erecting a "buried somewhere in this cemetery" headstone elsewhere in the cemetery. This way, it won't be on the actual grave and respecting the wishes of the family.
     
  8. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Hello Rob

    yes that is what they are aiming to do
    There is a small WW2 plot with the other WW2 scattered and my suggestion is that they place it near the WW2 plot which is at least 200 yards from the original grave plot
    regards
    Clive
     
  9. Deacs

    Deacs Well i am from Cumbria.

    Ah good one, something is better than nothing
     
  10. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    I have chased up CWGC to see if they have placed a form of commemoration.
     
  11. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Re cause of death - still unknown but he was in Halland Hospital in West Bromwich when he died

    James Duncan Constable in the UK, Merchant Seamen Deaths, 1939 -1953
    Name: James Duncan Constable
    Age: 40
    Birth Date: abt 1904
    Birth Place: Beaumont Anglesey, Wales
    Death Date: 21 Jul 1944
    Death Place: West Bromwich
    Spouse: Mary J.
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    James D Constable in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
    Name: James D Constable
    Birth Date: abt 1904
    Date of Registration: Sep 1944
    Age at Death: 40
    Registration district: West Bromwich
    Inferred County: Staffordshire
    Volume: 6b
    Page: 609


    Second Engineer Officer ( Offr. ) James Duncan Constable
    in the UK and Ireland, Find A Grave Index, 1300s-Current
    Name: Second Engineer Officer ( Offr. ) James Duncan Constable
    Death Date: 21 Jul 1944
    Cemetery: Dallington Cemetery
    Burial or Cremation Place: Northampton, Northampton Borough, Northamptonshire, England
    Has Bio?: N
    URL: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-...

    TD
     
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  12. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    From CWGC

    Thank you for your email.
    We would explain that as Second Engineer Officer J D Constable is buried in a private grave, we would need his family's permission to install a headstone. His family have refused the offer of a Commission headstone twice, so we have accepted their wishes and the grave will remain unmarked.
    We hope you find this information useful.
    Kind regards
    CWGC Enquiries Team
     
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