New Zealand Artillery

Discussion in 'War Grave Photographs' started by Philip Reinders, Jul 24, 2008.

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  1. Philip Reinders

    Philip Reinders Very Senior Member

    Anyone who maybe can tell me how he ended up in The Neterlands, or where in NZ I could ask for info about him?

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    Philip Reinders, Jul 24, 2008
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  2. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Tom Canning, Jul 25, 2008
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  3. Philip Reinders

    Philip Reinders Very Senior Member

    Thanks Tom
     
    Philip Reinders, Jul 25, 2008
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  4. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Haven't got a clue.
    Maybe a released POW?
    Maybe you could email these people.

    RNZA Assoc Membership and Contacts

    Just as a matter of interest, I saw another Louisson of the RNZA served in Vietnam, wonder if that was a relative?
    <TABLE cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>40736</TD><TD>Gnr</TD><TD>Louisson</TD><TD>DCC</TD><TD>161 Bty</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
    NZers serving in Vietnam
     
    Owen, Jul 25, 2008
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  5. Philip Reinders

    Philip Reinders Very Senior Member

    Thanks Owen, have contacted the secretary and ask for a place to put in the newsletter
     
    Philip Reinders, Jul 25, 2008
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  6. andy007

    andy007 Senior Member

    Phillip, for what its worth I would lean towards Owen's theory that he was a PoW. Not sure if he would have been released or not. I would be interested to know about him, so if you come upon any info could you please post it here.
    Nothing wildly new but interesting to note they have his age listed as 34.
    http://muse.aucklandmuseum.com/databases/Cenotaph/RecordDetail.aspx?SearchID=985329&Ordinal=1&OriginalID=28723 and here is the CWGC listing
    http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2961603
     
    andy007, Jul 25, 2008
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  7. ADM199

    ADM199 Well-Known Member

    Phillip, for what its worth I would lean towards Owen's theory that he was a PoW. Not sure if he would have been released or not. I would be interested to know about him, so if you come upon any info could you please post it here.
    Nothing wildly new but interesting to note they have his age listed as 34.
    http://muse.aucklandmuseum.com/databases/Cenotaph/RecordDetail.aspx?SearchID=985329&Ordinal=1&OriginalID=28723 and here is the CWGC listing
    http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2961603

    Nz22793 Gnr.Louisson C L was a P.O.W. in Stalag 8A Gorlitz p.o.w.no. 32648
    I can't find Reference to him as a P.O.W. in Italy 1943,but he could have been transfered to Germany prior to my reference.

    Gnr.Louissons Service History Sheet should be available at Trentham.
     
    ADM199, Jul 25, 2008
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  8. Owen

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    Owen, Jul 25, 2008
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  9. Philip Reinders

    Philip Reinders Very Senior Member

    If I fibd out any more I will let you guys know, maybe he escaped from POW,strange however that he "ended" up in Nederweert War Cemetery, anyway someting to dig in to.
    ADM, is this army records Trentham NZ?
     
    Philip Reinders, Jul 25, 2008
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  10. Owen

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    Owen, Jul 25, 2008
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  11. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    I wonder???

    Noel Coward's "Blithe Spirit". The lead role was taken at the last minute by the producer, Dan Bosman, who gave a great performance, ably supported by Arthur Arnold, Jim MacFarlane, Bill Bicketstaff, Charles Louisson as Madame Arcati, Len Wear as Ruth Condomine, and Les Davidson as Elvira the Ghost.

    Stalag VIIIA
     
    Owen, Jul 25, 2008
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  12. ADM199

    ADM199 Well-Known Member

    If I fibd out any more I will let you guys know, maybe he escaped from POW,strange however that he "ended" up in Nederweert War Cemetery, anyway someting to dig in to.
    ADM, is this army records Trentham NZ?


    Hi Philip,
    yes NZ Base Records are at Trentham,not far from Wellington. I visited a few years ago. What I will do is to try and get a copy via a friend.

    Brian
     
    ADM199, Jul 25, 2008
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  13. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Philip,
    Not relevant to his service I know, and totally irrelevant to the question, but checked ancestry records for him. He appears on these passenger lists with his mother, and there are also Louissons in Hawaii.

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    dbf, Jul 25, 2008
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  14. Philip Reinders

    Philip Reinders Very Senior Member

    Hi Philip,
    yes NZ Base Records are at Trentham,not far from Wellington. I visited a few years ago. What I will do is to try and get a copy via a friend.

    Brian

    Thanks that would be great Brian
     
    Philip Reinders, Jul 25, 2008
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  15. Philip Reinders

    Philip Reinders Very Senior Member

    Just got this info

    Gnr Louisson was previously buried in Margraten US Military Cemetery and that he was a former POW (held at one time in Stalag 8A Gorlitz), captured in the Middle East.
     
    Philip Reinders, Jul 25, 2008
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  16. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Just got this info

    Gnr Louisson was previously buried in Margraten US Military Cemetery and that he was a former POW (held at one time in Stalag 8A Gorlitz), captured in the Middle East.


    Well done Philip for finding this out.
    Let's hope he is finally at rest :poppy:

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    dbf, Jul 25, 2008
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  17. Philip Reinders

    Philip Reinders Very Senior Member

    Indeed dbf, still hope to find out how he ended up in the Netherlands, were I think he probably died of wounds?, somewhere in Limburg
     
    Philip Reinders, Jul 25, 2008
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  18. ADM199

    ADM199 Well-Known Member

    Looking at another Kiwi who was at Stalag 8A, I see they did forced march in March 1945.
    Sound: POW's and forced marches | NZHistory.net.nz, New Zealand history online


    There is a problem trying to pin down the location of a P.O.W. U.K. Records show where they were Registered,but those of lower rank such as Pte.or Gnr. could be many miles away on work details.
    Even if you get the number of the detail it could be located at various places at different times.
    If the man did die on the March perhaps it would be mentioned by one of those who survived.
     
    ADM199, Jul 25, 2008
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  19. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Diane,
    I can't make out the date of that Passenger Manifest or anything for that matter.
    Where was he going and when?
    What class of cabin was he in?
    It all adds to learning about the person.
     
    Owen, Jul 25, 2008
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  20. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Diane,
    I can't make out the date of that Passenger Manifest or anything for that matter.
    Where was he going and when?
    What class of cabin was he in?
    It all adds to learning about the person.

    Owen, Best I can do at this hour, hope it's OK. There are other Louissons who turn up on the search, but with vague info, ie initials only. Interestingly one travelling from Wellington NZ arrival 17 Apr 1907 Sydney, NSW, and from London arrival 16 Nov 1910 Sydney NSW, is named as Hon. Chas. Louisson. Not Cecil the father then.

    Gunner CHARLES LOUIS LOUISSON 22793, New Zealand Artillery who died age 33 on 18 April 1945
    Son of Cecil and Lucy Maria Louisson, of Auckland City, New Zealand; husband of Alice Louisson, of Sydney, New South Wales, Australia.
    Remembered with honour NEDERWEERT WAR CEMETERY


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    <TABLE class=p_resultTable cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TH>Name:</TH><TD>Master C Louisson</TD></TR><TR><TH>Arrival Date:</TH><TD>6 Jun 1916</TD></TR><TR><TH></TH><TD></TD></TR><TR><TH>Ship Name:</TH><TD>Matsonia </TD></TR><TR><TH>Port of Arrival:</TH><TD>San Francisco, California </TD></TR><TR><TH>Port of Departure:</TH><TD>Honolulu, Hawaii </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

    Transcription:
    Castle & Cooke, Ltd
    Passenger Manifest.
    Am. S. S. Matsonia, sailing from HONOLULU
    31st May 1916
    No. 111 Mrs L. Louisson
    No. 112 Master C. Louisson

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    <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="WIDTH: 8em" vAlign=top align=right>Name:





    </TD><TD vAlign=top>Charles L Louisson</TD></TR><TR><TD style="WIDTH: 8em" vAlign=top align=right>Birth: </TD><TD vAlign=top>1911 - New Zealand





    </TD></TR><TR><TD style="WIDTH: 8em" vAlign=top align=right>Departure: </TD><TD vAlign=top>Auckland, New Zealand</TD></TR><TR><TD style="WIDTH: 8em" vAlign=top align=right>Arrival: </TD><TD vAlign=top>23 Jul 1926 - Vancouver, British Columbia</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

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    List or Manifest of Alien Passengers

    S.S. Niagara, Passengers sailing from AUCKLAND, N.Z., July 6th 1926
    LOUISSON, LUCY, 42, Female, Married, Occupation: Home Duties, Race or people: Hebrew, POB: Thames, NZ, Temp. Absence Abroad issued Auckland, NZ, Last permanent address AUCKLAND, N.Z

    LOUISSON, CHARLES,L., 15y 7m, Male, Single, Student, Race or people: Hebrew, POB: Christchurch, NZ, Temp. Absence Abroad issued Auckland, NZ, Last permanent address AUCKLAND, N.Z
     
    dbf, Jul 26, 2008
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