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  1. olly4577

    olly4577 Junior Member

    Hi just started on hear trying to find out as much as posible about my father in ww1 and ww2 he was in the 18 london regiment in 1914 1918 as a 15 yo he lied to get in the forces his no was 602510 recived two medals. I found out he was allso in the Royal Artillery and completed 26 years in the forces dont no if he had the same regiment no or a different one. He was staioned in Grange Town Sunderland with Big Bertha trying to fine any imfo or help pic ect. P OLiver ex Coldstream Guards.
    Olly for short.
    Merry christmas to all.
  2. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Welcome to the forum.
    I have moved your post into your own 'user intro' thread.
  3. Peter Clare

    Peter Clare Very Senior Member Patron

    Hello, welcome to the forum and good luck with your research.
  4. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    2 results searching for Oliver & 602510 in Medal Index Card list.

    tad confusing as many different numbers & regiments also listed

    The National Archives | Search results:602510 Oliver

    • Reference:WO 372/15/56678
    • Description: Medal card of Oliver, Louis J
    • London Regiment 602510
    • Private Royal Scots 70811 Private

    • Reference:WO 372/15/56633
    • Description: Medal card of Oliver, L
    • London Regiment 45681
    • Private King's Royal Rifle Corps41909
    • Private Royal Irish Rifles 45681
    • Private London Regiment 602510
    • Private Royal Scots 61942 Private
  5. Roxy

    Roxy Senior Member

    Welcome aboard, Olly.

  6. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member


    Here are the two Medal index cards that Owen found, if they are your father's then there is an unusual amount of information on them.

    It is rare to see an address on the cards for Other Ranks and there are other pieces of info which will need further investigation.:)

    Hope this gets you started.


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  7. Joli

    Joli Member

    Hi! I'm a relative of the Louis in those records. Forgive my ignorance, but can someone explain what those attached records mean & why they are unusual? Many thanks.
  8. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    Hello Joli,

    These cards are records for the medal entitlement of soldiers from WW1. The cards show the military units that the soldier in question served with during the war and the army service numbers issued alongside. Louis was awarded the British War medal and the Victory medal for his service in WW1. These were two of the standard medals given out for those who fought during WW1. However, for some reason, stated on the second card as misconduct, his medals were forfeited and were not issued to him. This all took place in late 1921 from administration offices in Hamilton, Scotland.
  9. Joli

    Joli Member

    Thanks for the reply! Yes it says his medals were forfeited in 1921. He requested the medals in 1927 & they were given to him. His son has them now. My question is, why they forfeited and why they were finally given? I can't find anything on his attestation paper (except that he was discharged under para 497 vii KR in 1933. Tia.
  10. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Re member

    They were forfeited for misconduct as written on the Medal Index Card


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  11. Joli

    Joli Member

    I was wondering what the misconduct might be?
  12. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Re member

    Unfortunately you will probably never know as it seems his service records have not made it through WW2, i.e they are part of the burnt records from a WW2 bombing incident during the London Blitz.

    Perhaps if you can ascertain which Regiment he was in at around that time then perhaps the Regimental Museum may have disciplinary records for that period.

  13. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member


    As your query is in relation to WW1 medals/service you may find some more information if you post on Great War Forum via this link

    Great War Forum

    Members there may be able to interpret the KR query. BTW Where did you find his attestation paper(s)?

    Steve Y
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  14. Joli

    Joli Member

    Many thanks ;) Someone posted the attestation paper on a genealogy site.
  15. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    As Owen said, very confusing with so many service numbers and regiments in WW1.

    His WW2 service adds to the confusion. His Royal Artillery attestation was on 25 Oct 1921, service number 1422036, his name was originally written as Lewis Jason OLLIVER. He re-enlisted 25 May 1937. At some time his name was altered to Louis Jason OLIVER. Regiment shown as 64AA.

    (Note: His GRO birth registration is under the name of Lewis Jason)

    His marriage is stated as 5 Sept 1922 to Ellen D Arckless, but the GRO register gives his name as Leslie Oliver.

    On 24 Oct 1933 he was discharged Para 497 (vii) KR.
    On 27 June 1945 he was discharged Para 390 (xvi) KR.

    Likely that they had 5 children in 1925, 1927, 1928, 1929, and 1938.
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  16. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    Bit more on WW1:
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  17. Joli

    Joli Member

  18. Joli

    Joli Member

    Now you can see why I find him so interesting ;) He seems to have used two names - three if you include the different spellings of Lewis/Louis. He was known as Louis to my relatives.

    I'm wondering if the misconduct had something to do with the name changes?

    Is the number of regiments unusual then?

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