New Dunkirk movie to be made

A retreat has no 'Chinese values' – Dunkirk movie comes under fire in China

 

Shh... No one tell them about The Long March.

 

Anyone seen it yet , I have and didn't like it much, very loud and to me disjointed, soldiers hardly ever talked to each other which was strange, it really needed more of a back story to string it together.
Had enough after an hour despite not knowing whether I was in a sinking ship or a crashing aeroplane !

First five minutes were the best showing the fine line between life and death in war in a rather immaculate Dunkirk street. The flying scenes were also well done.

It would be easy for us anoraks to pick faults with hardware and modern cranes in view etc but I am not because the directors intention was to not use any CGI and convey the atmosphere.
(OK can't resist I did spot a later war 4x4 Morris Commercial GS on beach.)

However it has had good reviews so I am probably in the minority.

Craig

 

Hi Craig

New Dunkirk movie to be made

TD

 

I forget that there is life outside the 1940 forum
Craig

 

Saw it last night and loved it. Great movie! I wish it was longer.

I also learned about the Blue Ensign

 

Had my copy running last night as well. I noted "The Air: One Hour". Good for people who got confused with the parallel time lines.

 

I have a question about a minor tidbit of the movie. Hopefully someone can shed some light on it for me.

Anyway, the scenes in the cockpits of the Spitfires in particular. Occasionally the pilot would dash down some figures on the dashboard, obviously they were calculating fuel usage and range remaining. I’ve never observed this type of effort in any movie before, including the epic classic Battle of Britain and my other favorite, 633 Squadron. There are other RAF oriented movies and scenes out there, and I’ve seen many of them. What I was wondering was if this was standard practice.

 

Daftest part of the film, in my 'umble opinion, you're down at sea level, gadding along doing mathematical computations... won't be long before Jerry has you for breakfast!

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Pilots undoubtedly had to be on top of such things but in this instance his fuel gauge gets shot up early on, IIRC.

 

Dogfighting Over “Dunkirk”
Christopher Nolan’s new World War II epic contains some of the most thrilling aerial engagements ever staged.

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Tom Hardy plays a Spitfire jockey in “Dunkirk.” (Melinda Sue Gordon)
By Chris Klimek
AIRSPACEMAG.COM
JULY 21, 2017
new movie dramatizing England’s evacuation of its forces from France aboard civilian boats in the summer 1940, examines the event from three overlapping perspectives: A handful of the foot soldiers trapped on the beach, a father-and-son yacht crew sailing across the English Channel to retrieve those troops, and a pair of Supermarine Spitfire pilots out to defend the stranded soldiers and their rescue craft from aerial attack. Especially as viewed in IMAX—the ultra-high-resolution film format in which the majority of Dunkirk was shot—the movie is an enthralling sensory experience, with the progressive interweaving of its three story-strands building to an emotional finale.




Dunkirk was written and directed by Christopher Nolan, the celebrated English filmmaker who often experiments with varying time scales in films such as Memento, the dreamy thriller Inception, and his space-exploration epic Interstellar.




Air & Space readers might naturally be more interested in the dogfighting scenes. Royal Air Force officers played by Tom Hardy and Jack Lowden challenge several Messerschmitt Bf 109s and a Heinkel bomber while trying to preserve enough fuel to get home. As has long been Nolan’s preference, these sequences were shot practically, meaning he captured footage of real aircraft performing real maneuvers. Visual effects were added later, but nothing was invented out of whole digital cloth.

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“Dunkirk” writer/producer/director Christopher Nolan confers with his crew between takes. (Melinda Sue Gordon)
Three Spitfires, two Mark Is and a Mark V, were used in the production; a Spanish HA-1112 Buchón stood in for the Bf 109s when authentic German warbirds could not be secured. (Large-scale, though not quite life-sized, radio-controlled models were also used in a few shots, particularly of the bomber.) While Nolan and production designer Nathan Crowley strove for historical accuracy, they made some concessions to the audience—for instance, giving their “Messerschmitt” a slightly anachronistic yellow-nosed paint job so that it could be more easily discerned from the Spitfires.




Speaking before Dunkirk’s premiere at the National Air and Space Museum on Wednesday night, Nolan discussed the challenges of balancing verisimilitude with clear storytelling—no small feat, especially given that his film does not unspool in a purely linear way, but jumps back and forth in time in an attempt to conjure the disorienting experience of combat. “I’m fascinated by point of view,” Nolan said. “What I try to do is use chronology to express the point of view I’m trying to get across.”

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Three RAF Spitfires fly over the Moonstone, one of many civilian vessels requisitioned by the Royal Navy to rescue stranded British soldiers. (Melinda Sue Gordon)
And yet some fudging is intended to serve the audience rather than the artist.

“You manipulate things so the audience can get a handle on what’s going on and understand things,” Nolan said. As an example of dramatic invention, he singled out a moment when Hardy’s character, who must calculate his remaining fuel supply by hand after his fuel gauge is damaged, switches to his reserve tank. “A Mark I Spitfire would not specifically have a reserve tank; it would have three tanks with different amounts of fuel,” Nolan said. “So we simplified that. You try to strike a balance between historical accuracy and clarity and drama for the audience.”


Read more at Dogfighting Over “Dunkirk” | Daily Planet | Air & Space Magazine

 

D'oh! Well obviously I must've missed that part. Many apologies y'all. It certainly explains the pilot's mathematical etchings on the control panel of his aeroplane.

 

Happily, I read through.

Not being a Spit expert by any means, can I ask what happened to the engine on the one that burned?

 

Dreadful film. Wish I hadn't bothered, but got it on DVD as a Christmas present so watched it.

 

If you mean the one on the beach that burned after he shot it with his flare pistol I think he just ran out of gas.

 

Yeah, that. There's no room for an engine there.

Ah, well, if that's the worst I can find to nitpick...

 

I thought it was the exhaust manifold when I watched it.