Hmmm I'm briefly considering typing this list up, but it's quite large. Although then at least there'd be a digital copy here, and the only source for it on the web. cheers,
Hmmm I'm briefly considering typing this list up, but it's quite large. Although then at least there'd be a digital copy here, and the only source for it on the web. cheers, Great minds must think alike, I was thinking about that too! Putting it into an online searchable database/website. Perhaps we should work on it together? Lee
Coming soon - A new book from Chad & Psywar? : 'A who's who of the Nazi's British arrest list' It would be rather splendid if 'somebody' got it online, as it crops up as a query in a few places and the answers are usually vague. (BTW, if needs be - happy to assist with typing up if you scan it in.)
Great minds must think alike, I was thinking about that too! Putting it into an online searchable database/website. Perhaps we should work on it together? Lee I think we should, but I'm a bit dodgy with the old db side of things so perhaps I should type it up and you could c'n'p it into a db? Do like the idea of a who's who as well, I'm off to have a look at it in the book, might consider OCR'ing it, but I seem to recall it being quite a rough facsimile, could be wrong on that though. cheers,
I think we should, but I'm a bit dodgy with the old db side of things so perhaps I should type it up and you could c'n'p it into a db? Do like the idea of a who's who as well, I'm off to have a look at it in the book, might consider OCR'ing it, but I seem to recall it being quite a rough facsimile, could be wrong on that though. cheers, Sounds good Chad. For it to end up in a database it would be best to type it up in a spread sheet programme like Excel from the beginning. Eg. having separate columns for surname, first names, title, d.o.b., alias, etc. I can create a template for that. The priority I guess would be to get the names in first then add the addition information that's contained in the list, like address, date of birth, who the person is wanted by... I can do the database/website side of things, no problem there. Which source are you using Invasion 1940 or Last Ditch? Am I correct in thinking they use different versions of the list? One in Roman script, the other in the German Fraktur script? My books haven't arrived yet.
lads, this would be a fine thing for you guys to produce, if it ever cane to pass. Wonder would Churchill make the list??? Best of luck if you do decide to go ahead.
I'd be using Last Ditch which is roman script, it's approximately 113 pages of the full document, so it contains all the individuals, some of the firms, but not all the orgs, nor the blank pages. This is a reduced repro of the orig doco, so the type is around 6 or 7 points, in some places it's blotchy, others faint so not completely legible throughout. On closer inspection I'd say for absolute correctness a maximum of two-thirds of the list could be replicated from this source. The good news is each alphabetic section is numbered by entry, so this will avoid some confusion. A lot of the entries are foreign nationals, typically refugees. Gotthard aye Churchill is in there with his Westerham address listed, unlikely he'd be sitting there though if we had been invaded though eh? Same applies to Chamberlain and his listed address of 10 Downing St. cheers,
lads, this would be a fine thing for you guys to produce, if it ever cane to pass. Wonder would Churchill make the list??? Best of luck if you do decide to go ahead. Churchill made the list; he was wanted by RSHA VI A 1 Editted to add: Chad beat me to it. But in case you're wondering what RSHA VI A 1 is, it's the Organisation and Administration branch of the Ausland-SD. RSHA = Reichssicherheitshauptamt, VI = Ausland-SD, A = Organisation and Administration, 1 would be a sub-section of Organisation and Administation but I don't have the information to hand. This is where I need that SHAEF Handbook on the German Police!
I'd be using Last Ditch which is roman script, it's approximately 113 pages of the full document, so it contains all the individuals, some of the firms, but not all the orgs, nor the blank pages. This is a reduced repro of the orig doco, so the type is around 6 or 7 points, in some places it's blotchy, others faint so not completely legible throughout. On closer inspection I'd say for absolute correctness a maximum of two-thirds of the list could be replicated from this source. The good news is each alphabetic section is numbered by entry, so this will avoid some confusion. A lot of the entries are foreign nationals, typically refugees. Gotthard aye Churchill is in there with his Westerham address listed, unlikely he'd be sitting there though if we had been invaded though eh? Same applies to Chamberlain and his listed address of 10 Downing St. cheers, Chad does Last Ditch give the source of its reproduction? I'm thinking that's the IWM copy in Roman script and the Hoover version is Fraktur. Also I'm wondering if these are different revisions of the list with possible updates, i.e. there are new names on one of them?
I think we should, but I'm a bit dodgy with the old db side of things so perhaps I should type it up and you could c'n'p it into a db? Do like the idea of a who's who as well, I'm off to have a look at it in the book, might consider OCR'ing it, but I seem to recall it being quite a rough facsimile, could be wrong on that though. cheers, Yes my copy is a rough facsimile and I suspect it would not OCR well. Looks like newspaper print but rather bolder and I think two fonts (or at least light and bold). Don't have the book in front of me here. There are a lot of errors in it also, apparently. I'll try and scan a page or two later today.
Yes my copy is a rough facsimile and I suspect it would not OCR well. Looks like newspaper print but rather bolder and I think two fonts (or at least light and bold). Don't have the book in front of me here. There are a lot of errors in it also, apparently. I'll try and scan a page or two later today. I just received a copy of Last Ditch today and see what you mean. The list has been reproduced from not too great microfilm copy. Little chance of a successful OCR. It's going to have to be typed up the hard way.
Already fascinating. Picking out one name at random reveals first an error (he died in 1938), and then speculation on what exactly he did to make the list. Jewish perhaps? Wondering if it was written on general principles to ensure the elite in all circles were skimmed off, regardless of any specific 'offence'? : Literary Encyclopedia: Lascelles Abercrombie
Interesting the notes in my copy, written by Terry Charman of the IWM states that curiously George Bernard Shaw was missing from the list (he had published and performed in Nazi German) as was David Lloyd George, who proposed that Britain and France make peace with Hitler in October 1939. Lloyd George's daughter Megan is on the list.
Churchill made the list; he was wanted by RSHA VI A 1 Editted to add: Chad beat me to it. But in case you're wondering what RSHA VI A 1 is, it's the Organisation and Administration branch of the Ausland-SD. RSHA = Reichssicherheitshauptamt, VI = Ausland-SD, A = Organisation and Administration, 1 would be a sub-section of Organisation and Administation but I don't have the information to hand. This is where I need that SHAEF Handbook on the German Police! This may help http://www.********.co.uk/WW1/specialwantedlistp154.jpg
Geoff, the reproduction in Invasion 1940 looks to be much better than in Last Ditch. That'll make things easier! Thanks for the data on RSHA VI A.
Just for the record; I actually ~ finally! ~ got round to sending for my own copy of " Last Ditch " the other night. Despite the above punishment to the " List " section, I'm really quite interested in anything from the Auxiliarys to Pill Boxes anyway. So I'm sure I'll enjoy this one at my own, rather basic, level This is unreal! You guys have got me so wrapped up in WW2 I'm actually spending hard earned on bloody Books about it now!
Well, having finished reading The Last Ditch a couple of nights ago, I must say, I rather enjoyed it. Ironically, I was about to make some off the cuff remark about it not exactly being a page turner like a Chris Ryan novel, yet never in the least boring either. Very pick back upable, in fact. But that reminded me; Those blokes Really Were the Dogs, weren't they?! Sneaking into heavily and alertly guarded instillations, planting " Blown Up " stickers on vital bits and pieces? 'Wiping Out' entire airfields of aircraft in much the same manner? Then their members being snaffled up, awarded a Winged Dagger cap badge and sent off to do their stuff for real? No wonder! Hardly " Dads Army ", were they? On a more sombre note though; What a ghastly picture it portrays of " Post Sealion "! God help us! My own people would've been straight in a mass grave, courtesy of the Einzattsgruppen. Then every poor bugger else would be shipped out, to be worked to death in their Camps. Just the relatively few left to form unrecorded victims of atrocities, in retalliation for what those boys (and girls) would've inflicted on the Nazi's. First Ledice, then Horsham. Jesus! Oh; And, yes. The 'Hit List' was so abysmally reproduced, I honestly couldn't read a bloody word of it! Never mind. Just curious. Great little book, despite that.
Very interesting thread. In his book "Horse Under Water" (the only 'Harry Palmer' not made into a film) Len Deighton makes mention of the 'Weiss List' - a list of all the people who would be friendly to Nazi invasion (the book plot being blackmail). Was this a real list or pure fiction? Kind regards
