Naval Personnel Died On Shore, But Listed On Naval Memorials

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  1. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    Following the success with the Liverpool Naval Memorial I have now decided to search the other naval personnel who died on shore, but are listed on various naval memorials.

    First success

    BURT, RONALD ARTHUR EDWIN




    Rank:Leading Stores AssistantService No:C/MX 121996Date of Death:18/06/1946Regiment/Service:Royal Navy H.M.S. Pembroke Panel Reference Panel 86.Memorial:CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL

    Grave found Morden Cemetery.
     
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  2. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    BALFOUR, RONALD EGERTON




    Rank:Lieut-CommanderDate of Death:17/04/1941Regiment/Service:Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve H.M.S. President. Panel Reference Panel 86.Memorial:CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL

    Grave Found West Chiltington St Mary Churchyard, West Sussex.
     
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  3. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    EDWARDS, FREDERICK ALBERT
    Rank:
    Stoker 2nd Class
    Service No:
    C/KX 157054
    Date of Death:
    03/03/1943
    Regiment/Service:
    Royal Navy
    H.M.S. Pembroke
    Panel Reference:
    Panel 85.
    Memorial:
    CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL
    Grave Found Manor Park Cemetery.
     
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  4. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    BURT, RONALD ARTHUR EDWIN
    Rank:
    Leading Stores Assistant
    Service No:
    C/MX 121996
    Date of Death:
    18/06/1946
    Regiment/Service:
    Royal Navy
    H.M.S. Pembroke
    Grave Reference:
    Section SB. Grave 190
    Cemetery:
    MORDEN CEMETERY

    N.B.

    Recent research has shown that this gentleman is buried here. The Commission is in the process of producing a headstone to mark his grave. Please note that this casualty was previously commemorated on the Chatham Naval Memorial; his name will be removed when the appropriate panel is next replaced.

    Commemoration Moved From Chatham Naval Memorial.
     
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  5. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    From: UK, British Army and Navy Birth, Marriage and Death Records, 1730-1960

    Name: Frederick Albert Edwards
    Event: Death
    Birth Date: 1 Nov 1906
    Birth Place: Shoreditch, London
    Death Date: 3 Mar 1943
    Death Age: 36
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    Name: Ronald Arthur Burt
    Event: Death
    Birth Date: 5 Feb 1915
    Birth Place: Battersea, London
    Death Date: 18 Jun 1946
    Death Age: 31
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    Name: Ronald E. Balfour
    Event: Death
    Death Date: 17 Apr 1941
    Death Place: Nr Surliton
    Ship: President
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    TD
     
  6. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    Exactly the documents I used to find them
     
  7. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    TARLING, RAYMOND JAMES
    Rank:
    Engine Room Mechanic 5th Class
    Service No:
    C/MX 623528
    Date of Death:
    21/10/1945
    Age:
    21
    Regiment/Service:
    Royal Navy
    H.M.S. Pembroke
    Panel Reference:
    Panel 85.
    Memorial:
    CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL
    Kingsbury St Andrew's Churchyard, Middlesex.
     
  8. vitellino

    vitellino Senior Member

    Here are three members of HM Submarine Saracen:

    D/KX132173 Stoker 1st Class William Holt, POW, died 1 March 1944 in Uttendorf Work Camp, Austria, (a detachment of Stalag XVIIIC Markt Pongau) buried Klagenfurt War Cemetery

    Sub.Lt. Roy Charlton Elliott, escaper, died 15 March 1944 after falling from a window in Vatican City whilst working for the Rome Escape Line. Buried Testaccio Protestant Cemetery Rome

    P/J112731 Ldg. Tel. Victor James Crosby, escaper, shot by Germans on 12 December 1943 at Fontana Liri, Italy. Grave of unknown mariner in Cassino War Cemetery recently accepted by the MOD as being his.

    In addition, two other crew members were killed on land but are remembered on UK Memorials:

    The body of C/KX85490 Ldg.Stoker Thomas Henry Barber POW will never be found as he was killed in the Allerona Bridge incident on 28 Jauary 1944. He is commemorated on the Chatham Memorial.

    D/SSX.29430 Tel. James Gordon Hibbert, escaper, was shot in Italy on 6 April 1944 in unknown circumstances. His body would have been buried in an unknown location. The Navy is unable to explain where the information of his date of death came from - there are two dates of death on his service record, 6 April and 6 July 1944 - or why the date 6 April was finally decided upon. He is commemorated on the Plymouth Memorial.

    Vitellino
     
  9. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    Thanks very much for the information which will be useful when I get to their names

    Chris
     
  10. vitellino

    vitellino Senior Member

    Hello Chris,

    I should have added that Ldg.Tel Crosby is remembered on the Portsmouth memorial,

    Vitellino
     
  11. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    Do you know anything about Naples or Rome burial records please?

    Chris
     
  12. vitellino

    vitellino Senior Member

    Hello Chris,

    I don't know anything specifically but perhaps I can find out. What was it you wanted to know?

    Regards

    Vitellino
     
  13. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    FITZGERALD, ROBERT REGINALD
    Rank:
    Able Seaman
    Service No:
    D/JX 267127
    Date of Death:
    04/04/1942
    Regiment/Service:
    Royal Navy
    H.M.S. President III
    Panel Reference:
    Panel 101. Column 2.
    Memorial:
    PLYMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL
    Going to include this sailor for the sake of completeness. I found his grave in 2011, but still being processed by CWGC. He died at Newcastle, NSW of injuried when he fell into the hold of MV Gleniffer. Buried at Newcastle (Sandgate) General Cemetery, NSW, Australia
     
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  14. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Hello Chris very interesting
    Same churchyard where i found Harold Greenwood
    Regards
    Clive
     
  15. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    indeed Clive which I found a tad odd
     
  16. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Hello Chris his name also appears on the NEWNHAM ON SEVERN – WAR MEMORIAL GLOUCESTERSHIRE
    http://glosgen.co.uk/warmem/newnhamoswmv2.pdf

    TARLING Raymond James, Engine Room Mechanic 5th Class, C/MX623528, H.M.S. Pembroke, Royal Navy Volunteer Reserve died at sea 21st October 1945 aged 21. Commemorated on the Chatham Naval Memorial, Kent
     
  17. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    thanks for that Clive
     
  18. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    BALFOUR, RONALD EGERTON
    Rank:
    Lieut-Commander
    Date of Death:
    17/04/1941
    Regiment/Service:
    Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve
    H.M.S. President.
    Grave Reference:

    Cemetery:
    WEST CHILTINGTON (ST. MARY) CHURCHYARD
    Commemoration Moved From Chatham Naval Memorial.
     
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  19. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    SPENCER, MATTHEW JOSEPH
    Rank:
    Leading Seaman
    Service No:
    D/JX 201699
    Date of Death:
    24/01/1944
    Regiment/Service:
    Royal Navy
    H.M.S. President III
    Panel Reference:
    Panel 101. Column 1.
    Memorial:
    PLYMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL
    Grave found Digby (Forest Hill) Church Of England Cemetery, Nova Scotia.

    Naval death cert showed that he died through drowning at Digby whilst serving on the S.S. Aikaterine.
     
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  20. hewasahero

    hewasahero Member

    Hello.
    The CWGC are seeking relatives of Ronald Arthur Edwin BURT.
    If you can help, please see…

    Steve Dyke on Twitter

    Thanks!
     
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