Mystery plaque dumped in Hornchurch, Essex

Discussion in 'War Cemeteries & War Memorial Research' started by Mike L, Mar 1, 2010.

  1. Pete Keane

    Pete Keane Senior Member

    Lower Edmonton is good, the area we are looking at is right on the border.
     
  2. -tmm-

    -tmm- Senior Member

    Okay in Kellys 1914 I found under Oil Importers - British Petroleum Co Ltd, Balham Road - so I'm thinking what I came accross before may have been a red herring. Unless of course they made oilcloth too.
     
  3. Pete Keane

    Pete Keane Senior Member

  4. -tmm-

    -tmm- Senior Member

    Ridley, Whitley and Co - according to Kellys

    Edmonton - Economic history | British History Online
    Most industry is in the east of Edmonton, along Angel and Montagu roads. In Angel Road, conveniently situated between the Lea and the G.E.R., factories were built from the mid 19th century. The largest was that of Messrs. Ridley, Whitley and Co., established by 1865 at Angel Road works between the river and the New Cut. The factory, which manufactured floor-cloths, employed 900 workers in its heyday but had only 100 by 1914, shortly before its closure.
     
  5. Pete Keane

    Pete Keane Senior Member

    If you look on multimap, they were sited south of Angel Rd, pretty much where Argon Rd is now. I think BOC were to the right - this is where I think Sparklets were as they became BOC.

    From what I can see, Ridleys ceased to be at around the time of WW1.

    I have been promised an answer from the Memorial Hall tomorrow, groundsman off yesterday and busy elsewhere today.
     
  6. Mike L

    Mike L Very Senior Member

    Hi all,
    Just a quickie - there is a good chance I may be going to TNA tomorrow for reasons unrelated to this thread. Anyone have anything (re this thread only please) that needs checking there?
    I would of course love to help on anyone's research at TNA but this possible visit has cropped up at very short notice and I already have 4 searches to do - 2 for other people.

    Mike
     
  7. Pete Keane

    Pete Keane Senior Member

    Have now heard back from the ex-groundsman at Whitewebbs FC.

    The plaques from the Memorial Hall at Willoughby Lane were moved to Whitewebbs when british gas sports club moved there (I will let the groundsman at Willoughby Rd know as he thought they were stolen).

    Sadly, about 4 or 5 years ago they were stolen from Whitewebbs.

    There were 4 of them, although the groundsman cant desribe them he believes that there are photos with the club secretary, he will check this for me, answer hopefully after the weekend.

    I hope these are the right ones, but it will be nice to know either way.

    Pete
     
  8. Pete Keane

    Pete Keane Senior Member

    Anyone have Ancestry membership?

    On the pegrum family page is a lady Susan Jones, who has compiled a comprehensive family tree. I have been trying to contact her but I'm not convinced my message was passed on. Want her to check the Pegrum names we have, as I'm drawing a blank.

    Cheers

    Pete
     
  9. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Thread pinned and moved to 'War Memorials' area. ~A
     
  10. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit

    Anyone have Ancestry membership?

    On the pegrum family page is a lady Susan Jones, who has compiled a comprehensive family tree. I have been trying to contact her but I'm not convinced my message was passed on. Want her to check the Pegrum names we have, as I'm drawing a blank.

    Cheers

    Pete

    Dunno how to get in. If I search public member trees (is that the right place?) for 'Pegrum' it gives 1,296 hits. Which do I choose? Ancestry is such an a*** to use .....help
     
  11. Pete Keane

    Pete Keane Senior Member

    Hi Geoff

    Go into Collaborate, then Forums, them type in Pegrum. The lady is suejones then some numbers but cant remember which, but shes theonly suejones there!

    Cant see any other approach with Pegrum, but it looks the easiest surname!

    Cheers

    Pete
     
  12. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit

    Hi Geoff

    Go into Collaborate, then Forums, them type in Pegrum. The lady is suejones then some numbers but cant remember which, but shes theonly suejones there!

    Cant see any other approach with Pegrum, but it looks the easiest surname!

    Cheers

    Pete

    Ok, that got me in. I posted a message to susanjones2873. Seemed to be some posts there re Walthamstow, however she last visited the forum 6 months ago!

    geoff
     
  13. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit

    Looking at William Read, over 50 in SDGW.
    These seem the nearest but can't find anything on the 1901 census.

    Name: READ, WILLIAM WALTER JAMES
    Initials: W W J
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Private
    Regiment/Service: The Buffs (East Kent Regiment)
    Unit Text: 8th Bn.
    Age: 20
    Date of Death: 04/02/1917
    Service No: G/17634
    Additional information: Son of James and Emma Read, of 151, Silver St., Edmonton, London.
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: I. L. 43.
    Cemetery: PHILOSOPHE BRITISH CEMETERY, MAZINGARBE
    SDGW: Born Edmonton, enlisted Edmonton, residence Upper Edmonton.



    Name: READ
    Initials: A W
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Bombardier
    Regiment/Service: Royal Field Artillery
    Unit Text: "C" Bty. 60th Bde.
    Date of Death: 14/12/1915
    Service No: 93220
    Additional information: Son of Mrs Read, of 47, Lyndhurst Rd., Upper Edmonton, London.
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: III. E. 142.
    Cemetery: EAST MUDROS MILITARY CEMETERY
    SDGW: Albert William, born London, enlisted Ponders End, Middx.


    Name: READ
    Initials: W
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Driver
    Regiment/Service: Royal Field Artillery
    Unit Text: "C" Bty. 173rd Bde.
    Date of Death: 09/08/1917
    Service No: 26172
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: XVII. J. 1.
    Cemetery: LIJSSENTHOEK MILITARY CEMETERY
    SDGW: William, enlisted Walthamstow, residence Walthamstow, Essex.
     
  14. Mike L

    Mike L Very Senior Member

    Hi all,
    Apologies for being AWOL this evening, been having a nightmare few hours.

    First off: Adam, thread moved to 'War Memorials' noted. Thanks (even if we are now off the 'front page'):p. Hope it would be ok to put a post on main portal if - no when - we conclude this research since it has been a massive effort by many people, and credit should be given, also to let everyone know the outcome.

    To safeguard the results thus far I have emailed Chris (-tmm-) a copy of the 17 individual files containing the raw data from research. If anyone else would like a copy of these please PM me with email address. This serves 2 purposes: multiplication of data in case of computer failure and 'concentration' of data on your own hard drive for ease of access.
    Collating these files has been very helpful to me in retaining an 'overview' of this investigation as it is so easy to get embroiled in a particular name or location and lose sight of what might be an 'easier target' thus progressing the overall objective.
    I will continue to 'overview' and collate posts as often as I can and also to tidy up the 17 files to make them more presentable for when we finally tie this down. I will also try to re-visit the more common and therefore difficult names and try to narrow down the 'possibles' by a basic CWGC search. Then it's up to you guys here to progress. Of course I will do what I can to help using Geoff's search engine etc but to be honest you seem so much better at it than I am that I have trouble sometimes just collating the latest discoveries.

    Sorry for the long post gents, just wanted to let you all know where I feel we are. Superb effort. Please carry on!

    Very best regards,

    Mike
     
  15. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    First off: Adam, thread moved to 'War Memorials' noted. Thanks (even if we are now off the 'front page'):p. Hope it would be ok to put a post on main portal if - no when - we conclude this research since it has been a massive effort by many people, and credit should be given, also to let everyone know the outcome.
    Misunderstanding there mate - No matter what section a thread resides in it's latest post will still show on the portal if it's one of the last 50 or so made on the site. The portal's nothing more than a list of currently active threads.

    A pinned thread (one that doesn't slip down an individual forum's list and always stays at the top), in the right area, will be more visible to passing Googlers. Hopefully increasing the chance of some serendipitous help from the wider interweb.
     
  16. Mike L

    Mike L Very Senior Member

    Thanks for that Adam, guess I am showing my newbie status for all to see!
    No problem with that, just huge respect for everyone who has contributed so far.
    I feel more comfortable in the collator role.

    Mike
     
  17. -tmm-

    -tmm- Senior Member

    Looking at William Read, over 50 in SDGW.
    These seem the nearest but can't find anything on the 1901 census.

    Name: READ, WILLIAM WALTER JAMES
    Initials: W W J
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Private
    Regiment/Service: The Buffs (East Kent Regiment)
    Unit Text: 8th Bn.
    Age: 20
    Date of Death: 04/02/1917
    Service No: G/17634
    Additional information: Son of James and Emma Read, of 151, Silver St., Edmonton, London.
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: I. L. 43.
    Cemetery: PHILOSOPHE BRITISH CEMETERY, MAZINGARBE
    SDGW: Born Edmonton, enlisted Edmonton, residence Upper Edmonton.


    In 1901 they were living at 53 Raynham Road Edmonton. Father James is a Florist's Carman aged 35, Emma is 37. 3 elder sisters.
     

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  18. -tmm-

    -tmm- Senior Member

    Name: READ
    Initials: A W
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Bombardier
    Regiment/Service: Royal Field Artillery
    Unit Text: "C" Bty. 60th Bde.
    Date of Death: 14/12/1915
    Service No: 93220
    Additional information: Son of Mrs Read, of 47, Lyndhurst Rd., Upper Edmonton, London.
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: III. E. 142.
    Cemetery: EAST MUDROS MILITARY CEMETERY
    SDGW: Albert William, born London, enlisted Ponders End, Middx.


    Think I found this chap too. Seems to be 4 Read families all living next to each other, but not entirely sure they are all related.

    Living at 2 Ely Cottage, Edmonton

    Not having much luck deciphering the handwriting on this one.
     

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  19. -tmm-

    -tmm- Senior Member

    Name: READ
    Initials: W
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Driver
    Regiment/Service: Royal Field Artillery
    Unit Text: "C" Bty. 173rd Bde.
    Date of Death: 09/08/1917
    Service No: 26172
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: XVII. J. 1.
    Cemetery: LIJSSENTHOEK MILITARY CEMETERY
    SDGW: William, enlisted Walthamstow, residence Walthamstow, Essex.

    Found 4 possibilities for this chap. I have attached 2 of them - the other two had middle names so I discounted them for now.
     

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  20. Pete Keane

    Pete Keane Senior Member

    The first two entries you have posted for Read....

    One appears to say florists carman, the next one florists labourer.

    Im not 100% sure that it does say that, but I cant think of anything else!

    Pete
     

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