My photos from the Cental Museum of the Great Patriotoc War (in Moscow)

Discussion in 'Weapons, Technology & Equipment' started by AMVAS, Dec 17, 2006.

  1. AMVAS

    AMVAS Senior Member

    Hi, Gentlemen!

    I hope it will be interesting ty to see my collection of photos taken this year in the Central Museum of the Great Patriotoc War 1941-45 in Moscow (also famous as Poklonnaya Gora)

    Armchair Gallery - Central Museum of the Great Patriotic War

    Listing of captions is below
    (Sorry their numbers are equal to the physical number of photo on my computer, as Brian (who made gallery on the ACG site) couldnt' keep that numbers, but order of photos remained)

    • 004 Light Japanese tank Ha-go captured on Shikotan island (Kuriles) in
    August 1945
    • 006 75mm field gun Mod. 90 (Japan).
    • 008 Japanese field gun
    • 009 German Flak AA gun (Salvenmaschinenkanone Typ 2)
    • 010 German 150mm gun Mod. 1918
    • 012 German Flak AA gun (Salvenmaschinenkanone Typ 3)
    • 013-014 German “Marder” 38M SP gun used against Soviet troops.
    • 016-017 Pz.38(t) organic to the 12th Pz. Division. Found in 1993 in Novgorod region.
    • 019,021 StuG III
    • 022 T-34-76 mod. 1943
    • 023-024 Antitank barrages on foreground.
    • 025 ZIS-2 57mm AT guns
    • 026, 028 Field version of mine layer based on ZIS-5 chassis.
    • 029 Remnants of Pz.III
    • 030,036 Pz.III
    • 032 OT-810 halftrack armored personnel carrier (Czechoslovakia). (rem. AMVAS. Licensed version of
    Sd.Kfz.250?)
    • 034 Halftrack Citroen-Kegress C6 P14 automobile. Fragments of this vehicle were got from Kalevala
    region.
    • 037 German Flak AA gun (Salvenmaschinenkanone Typ 1)
    • 038,040 75mm Pak-40 German AT gun
    • 041,043 German 50mm AT gun Pak-38. Transferred by Stalingrad museum.
    • 045 German 20mm AA gun SMK-18U1 (Salvenmaschinenkanone Typ 4)
    • 046-047 German 37mm AT gun Pak-35/36
    • 049 German 105mm howitzer Mod. 1938
    • 051 German 37mm AA gun Flak-43 mod. 1938
    • 053 Turrets of Pz. I & early version of Pz.IV.
    • 054 Soviet ZIS-3 76mm gun
    • 055-056 Soviet 160mm (foreground) & 120mm mortars
    • 057-058 T-18 tank used as a pillbox rearmed with 45mm gun.
    • 060,062-064 Soviet T-46-1 experimental tank. Was used as pillbox in Karelian fortified region (settlement
    Sosnovo area)
    • 065 Different models of Soviet portable armored shields
    • 067 Different models of German portable armored shields
    • 069 Finnish armored equipment of Mannergeim line. Was installed in Vuoksa river area around Losevo
    settlement.
    • 071 Armored pillbox
    • 073 Armored pillbox “NTP” mod. 1941 for machine-gun on foreground and reinforced concrete pillbox
    “Cover” on background.
    • 076 Soviet 37mm “61-K” AA gun stands for fire
    • 077-078 Soviet 45mm AT gun mod. 1942 stands for fire. GAZ-67 on the background
    • 079-080 GAZ-67
    • 082 Mercedes car. Found on battlefield in Kaluga area.
    • 084 Opel passenger car. Found on battlefield in Smolensk region.
    • 086-088 T-20 “Komsomolets” light artillery prime mover towing 45mm AT gun Mod. 1937. Found in
    swamp in Smolensk region.
    • 090 BMW-321 passenger car.
    • 092 GAZ-67 produced in 1952 towing 120mm(?) mortar.
    • 094 Soviet 37mm “61-K” AA gun prepared for fire.
    • 095 Fragment of bridge with a 2-axle car on it.
    • 096 Remnants of German Bf-110 fighter
    • 099 German 75mm mountain guns Mod. 1936.
    • 100 Soviet 76mm ZIS-3 gun.
    • 101, 103 Ambulance Mod. 1938. This is self-made modification mounted on GAZ-A chassis.
    • 104 Lend-lease Ford GPA light amphibious car. This vehicle took part in crossing Oder river in 1945.
    • 106-108 Soviet 76mm regimental gun mod. 1927 in transport position.
    • 109-110 GAZ-MM vintage 1942. Was found on battlefield in Smolensk area.
    • 112 Soviet field kitchen
    • 113 Armored train (fragment)
    • 114 Soviet 122mm howitzer Mod. 1909/37(?) in transport position.
    • 115 Legendary Soviet GAZ-M1 passenger car
    • 117 Soviet GTM grader mod. 1938. Was towed by TchTZ-60, -65 tractors
    • 119,121 Soviet BA-64B armored car. Fragments of this vehicle were found in Arsenjev area (Far East)
    • 122-123 Soviet 122mm howitzer Mod. 1910/30
    • 124-125 Soviet 122mm howitzer M-30 Mod. 1938
    • 128,130 Soviet 152mm howitzer D-1 Mod. 1943
    • 131 Fragments of sanitary echelon.
    • 132-133 “YeU” steam engine
    • 134,136 TM-1-180 180mm railroad gun.
    • 138 Soviet 25mm AA gun 72-K mod. 1940
    • 140 Soviet 25mm paired AA gun 94-KM mod. 1944
    • 141 American 90mm M1A1 AA gun
    • 144 Soviet 85mm 52-K AA gun mod. 1939
    • 146-147 Z-15-4B AA searchlight station mounted on ZIS-12 chassis
    • 149 KS-12 85mm AA gun Mod. 1939
    • 151 40mm “Bofors” Mk. I AA gun (Britain)
    • 153 40mm “Bofors” M1 AA gun (USA)
    • 155 37mm M3 AA gun (USA). This gun produced in 1942.
    • 157 Soviet 37mm “61-K” AA gun
    • 159 Soviet B-47 37mm paired AA gun mod. 1944
    • 161-162 122mm A-19 gun Mod. 1931/37
    • 163 152mm gun-howitzer ML-20 Mod. 1937
    • 166 Breech ends of the 203mm B-4M howitzer and 152mm Br-2 gun. ML-20 gun-howitzer on foreground
    • 168 203mm B-4M howitzer. Postwar modification. Original track gun-carriage replaced with wheeled one.
    • 170-171 100mm BS-3 AT gun Mod. 1944
    • 173-174 57mm ZIS-2 AT gun Mod. 1943
    • 176-177 45mm AT gun “53-K” Mod. 1937
    • 178,196 F-20 76mm semiuniversal experimental gun.
    • 180-181 76mm ZIS-3 divisional gun Mod. 1942
    • 183 76mm regimental gun Mod. 1943
    • 185,186 76mm regimental gun Mod. 1927/42. Was produced in small series. Represented experimental
    sample.
    • 188 76mm mountain gun Mod. 1938
    • 190,193 35-K 76mm mountain gun Mod. 1936
    • 192 76mm mountain gun Mod. 1909
    • 195 76mm regimental gun Mod. 1927
    • 198-199 45mm AT gun “M-42” Mod. 1942
    • 201-202 Barrel carrier for 203mm B-4 howitzer
    • 203-204 ISU-152 SP gun
    • 205-206 Twin-turret T-26 tank Mod. 1931
    • 207 BT-7 tank
    • 208 T-70 tank
    • 209-210 T-26 Mod. 1935
    • 211,213 MkII “Matilda III” medium tank (Britain)
    • 214 “Sherman” tank (USA)
    • 215 The “Wasp” flame thrower SP gun Mod. 1944.
    • 217 T-34-76 Mod. 1941/42
    • 218-219 SU-57 SP gun
    • 220 T-44 tank
    • 221 T-34-85
    • 222 Turret from KV-1s tank
    • 223 BM-13-16 based on Studebaker US6(?) chassis
    • 224 Soviet 107mm mountain mortar Mod. 1938
    • 226 Soviet 120mm PM-120 mortar Mod. 1938
    • 229 Soviet 160mm MT-13 divisional mortar Mod. 1943
    • 231 IS-2 tank
    • 232 IS-3 tank
    • 233 SU-76i SP gun
    • 234 IL-4 bomber
    • 235 Bf-109 German fighter (“F” modification?)
    • 236 305mm gun from Soviet battleship “Marat”-type
    • 238,243 Torpedo-boat
    • 240 5-tube 533mm torpedo-launcher
    • 241,272-274 “Destroyer” installation. (rem. AMVAS. I had no chance to check what details were used for
    this installation. I think it can one of project “7”)
    • 242 Armored cutter(?)
    • 244,252 Deck-cabin of the Shch-307 submarine
    • 245-248, 250-251, 276 TM-3-12 305mm railroad gun. This gun was used during defense of Khanko base.
    After its evacuation in December 1941 all guns were exploded. Finns managed to restore this gun using
    reserve barrel from the battleship “Emperor Alexander III”, which was rearmed by France in late 1920s.
    • 255,259 152mm “MU-2” artillery mounting. Was used both for coastal and railroad artillery.
    • 257 The 152mm Kane gun
    • 260-261 The 130mm B-13 artillery mounting. Was used for cruisers, destroyers and coastal artillery
    • 263-264 The 100mm B-34-U-1 artillery mounting. Was used for cruisers, coastal defense and railroad
    artillery
    • 266 A group of artillery mountings.
    • 267, 269 The 85mm “90-K” artillery mounting Mod. 1942. Was adopted for destroyers and coastal
    defense. This mounting was used on one of destroyers of the Pacific Fleet and made 240 shots against
    enemy.
    • 270 Screw from battleship of “Marat”-type
    • 275 Deck-cabin of the L-3 submarine.

    Also you can see their collection of photos from other museums
    Armchair Gallery - Museums

    Hope you to enjoy all of those....

    Regards,
    Alex
     
  2. BulgarianSoldier

    BulgarianSoldier Senior Member

  3. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Nice to see they seem to have been busy at the Moscow museum, In the last photos I saw the exhibits looked a little tatty, that Marder particularly looks in excellent external condition.
     
  4. AMVAS

    AMVAS Senior Member

    Nice to see they seem to have been busy at the Moscow museum, In the last photos I saw the exhibits looked a little tatty, that Marder particularly looks in excellent external condition.

    State of opened excibition depends on weather B)
     
  5. BulgarianSoldier

    BulgarianSoldier Senior Member

    Russia have the best ww2 muselms.As far as im informed.I should visit Russia again :)
     
  6. AMVAS

    AMVAS Senior Member

    Russia have the best ww2 muselms.As far as im informed. I should visit Russia again :)

    Welcome here, bratushka :358:

    I know at least 3 good museums to visit...
    Unfortunately Kubinka tank museum accepts only groups of visitors...:mellow:

    Regards,
    Alex
     
  7. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

  8. BulgarianSoldier

    BulgarianSoldier Senior Member

    Welcome here, bratushka :358:

    I know at least 3 good museums to visit...
    Unfortunately Kubinka tank museum accepts only groups of visitors...:mellow:

    Regards,
    Alex
    Thanks for the worm welcome тавариш :)
     
  9. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Unfortunately Kubinka tank museum accepts only groups of visitors...:mellow:
    I assume from your site you've been then Alex?
    Something of a holy grail for the Tank obsessed, been looking into organising a trip in a few years time but it looks like it's a bureaucratic nightmare to visit.
     
  10. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

  11. AMVAS

    AMVAS Senior Member

    I've never seen the Bren Carrier (Wasp) with wheels like that before.
    Armchair Gallery - 2006-Central-Museum-Great-Patriotic-War-_142_
    Where all Soviet Bren Gun carriers converted like that?

    I also never seens such a chassis on any wartime photos...

    I'm not an expert in lend-lease vehicles...
    Just my own guess can be that original wheels could be missed and our repair-men could install non-original wheels from some after-war vehicle....
    But it's only my guess. Probably some other explanation can exist

    [​IMG]

    REgards,
    Alex
     
  12. AMVAS

    AMVAS Senior Member

    Thanks for the worm welcome тавариш :)

    :ruflag[1]:

    I assume from your site you've been then Alex?
    Something of a holy grail for the Tank obsessed, been looking into organising a trip in a few years time but it looks like it's a bureaucratic nightmare to visit.

    No, I never visited Kubinka tank museum.
    But I have plenty of photos from them.
    It's interesting place to visit. but unfortunately they wants visitors to be organized in groups...:wacko:
     
  13. BulgarianSoldier

    BulgarianSoldier Senior Member

    It's interesting place to visit. but unfortunately they wants visitors to be organized in groups...:wacko:
    Maybe they want some organisation ,how big the group must be to alow you?
    I must admit that those ww2 paintings are unbalivable :)
     
  14. AMVAS

    AMVAS Senior Member

    Maybe they want some organisation ,how big the group must be to alow you?
    I must admit that those ww2 paintings are unbalivable :)

    Poklonnaya gora you can visit individually. I spent there the whole day and still was not able to get inside, because there were too many interesting to see outside....

    As for the Kubinka, I think it's better to organize this through the tourist company.

    On the official Kubinka museum site I found the next "optimistic" announcement:
    http://www.kubinka.ru/newindex.php?id=3&lang=2
    *****
    Иностранные граждане могут посетить музей только после получения соответствущего

    разрешения в Министерстве Обороны Российской Федерации. Местонахождение Музея БТВТ и

    содержание его хранилищ требуют сопровождения иностранных граждан сотрудниками службы

    безопасности, а потому получение разрешения вовсе не является пустой формальностью.

    Узнать, как можно получить разрешение, можно по телефону у дежурного по музею. Кроме

    того, ряд российских туристических фирм предоставляют услуги по получению разрешений и

    экскурсионному обслуживанию. В обязанности авторов этого сайта не входит реклама

    конкретных турфирм, так что надеемся, что необходимая информация будет легко найдена

    Вами при помощи Интернет.
    *****

    Translation:

    foreign citizens can visit museum only after getting permission from the Ministry of

    Defense of Russia.
    Placement of the Museum and its collections demands escort of foreign citizens by

    security staff, so getting permission is not formal procedure.

    ...
    A set of Russian tourist companies provides services for getting permissions for

    foreigners (Rem AMVAS. - I'm sure it's paid service).
    THis site is not going to advertise some specific companies, as all the needed info can

    be found in the net......
    ************

    Regards,
    Alex
     
  15. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    I also never seens such a chassis on any wartime photos...

    I'm not an expert in lend-lease vehicles...
    Just my own guess can be that original wheels could be missed and our repair-men could install non-original wheels from some after-war vehicle....
    But it's only my guess. Probably some other explanation can exist

    REgards,
    Alex
    Yup looks like back to back road wheels off a BTR 50 with rubber removed.
     

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  16. AMVAS

    AMVAS Senior Member

    Yup looks like back to back road wheels off a BTR 50 with rubber removed.

    MT-LB light armored prime-mover also have similar wheels
    [​IMG]
     
  17. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    This is going to be a "I love Soviet Armour" thread soon!


    so did PT 76.
    [​IMG]
     
  18. AMVAS

    AMVAS Senior Member

    This is going to be a "I love Soviet Armour" thread soon!


    so did PT 76.


    That's why I wrote "some after-war vehicle" :cheers:
     
  19. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    [​IMG]

    so did PT 76.

    You wouldn't believe how cheap PT76's are, fully amphibious and can be had for less than 3k... there are, of course, reasons for the low price, most look like they've had a damned rough life somewhere in the developing world.
     

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