Moving pictures Oosterbeek 18 September. What is trailing the jeep, at the end of the clip?

Discussion in 'NW Europe' started by Nijmegen, Jul 14, 2013.

  1. Tom OBrien

    Tom OBrien Senior Member

    I can see something where you suggest but I was thinking right on the left edge of the frame - its only there for a short time when the camera pans across fully to the left before swinging back a bit to the right. I thought it looked the curved shape of a track?

    You are very good with this film stuff!


  2. Cee

    Cee Senior Member Patron

    Tom, I can't see that but it may jump out for me afterwards ... :) Looking at the elongated shadows cast by the men it must be late in the day.

    I figure Nijmegen has thrown at least 7 clips our way for this thread alone with a few slomo variations on a couple.

    Cheers ...
  3. Nijmegen

    Nijmegen Member

    :) Whilst appreciated, here's another video clip!

    Is it the commanding officer of Second Battalion South Staffordshire Regiment, Lieutenant-Colonel McCardie?

  4. Cee

    Cee Senior Member Patron

    Since no one is venturing forth here ...

    The one thing positive I can say about the pips is that they appear be two distinct types with the top one standing out more prominently. On a step through you can occasionally see a protrusion that could represent the crown on the top pip. My initial impression, however, was the top pip was diamond shaped.

    I'll add another photo of Lieutenant-Colonel McCardie from a group photo taken in 1943 found on ParaData.

    Regards ....

    Added - An enlargement to show the difference in the two pips with the top showing a distinct top shape suggestive of a crown.

    Attached Files:

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  5. Nijmegen

    Nijmegen Member

    Cee, thanks for your input, again!

    His lower lip seems identical. and his prominent chin. But, it still is not easy to determine if it is the Lieutenant-Colonel...
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  6. Paul Pariso

    Paul Pariso Very Senior Member

    Well I'm pretty convinced! The high cheek bones, the prominent nose, it all fits.

    Well done Nijmegen and Cee, fantastic work!
  7. Paul Pariso

    Paul Pariso Very Senior Member

    This map is possibly a bit clearer? "A" is where the camerman was positioned, "B" is the MDS Crossroads and the Dennenkamp Estate is the area bordered in light green.

    All the best :salut:

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  8. horsapassenger

    horsapassenger Senior Member

    I'm not sure when this film clip was meant to have been taken but Colonel McCardie was wounded and taken prisoner in Arnhem on the morning of 19th September

  9. Cee

    Cee Senior Member Patron

    Thanks for the map Paul - very helpful ... :)

    This latest clip is actually taken by members of another family who live just up the street from the family at the corner of Utrechtseweg-Lebretweg. With help of Paul's excellent map I think I have been able to isolate their house. I don't want to give too much away at this point in case Nijmegen has another video bit or two up his sleeve.

    I'm sure more will be revealed in the coming days ....

    Cheers ... :)
  10. Trackfrower

    Trackfrower Member

    Thanks Paul

    Photo is not clear, but they could be ramps.

    How do you upload a photo?

  11. Nijmegen

    Nijmegen Member

    :) A teeny weeny clip.

    Same man, map sticking out of his battle dress, finger on the trigger of his stengun, anxious.
  12. gliderrider

    gliderrider Senior Member

    Excellent clips there, but is he wearing glasses in that last clip, cant make out if he is
  13. Paul Pariso

    Paul Pariso Very Senior Member

    Nijmegen, just out of curiosity, where did you find all these clips?

    All the best :salut:
  14. Cee

    Cee Senior Member Patron


    You really do get the impression of sun glasses from Nijmegen's hosted image above. I think it's more the play of shadow though combined with low level resolution which may distort the finer detail. Others, however, may agree with you.

    Definitely looks like the same chap, somewhere in the same front garden. The gate post sticks out very prominently ... ;)

    Regards ...
  15. Nijmegen

    Nijmegen Member

    The "glasses" are the result of the extreme sharpening and zoom of the original footage.

    ;) Disclosure would mean the sudden death of this topic. :( And, that would make me sad.
  16. gliderrider

    gliderrider Senior Member

    Thank you Nijmegen, this work computer doesnt help, and thanks to wherever/whoever has the clips. I do get the feeling, he appears to have 'aged' and already seems stressed, also 'alone'?
  17. Nijmegen

    Nijmegen Member

    The lack of wireless communication must have had a negative effect on the mindset of battalion commanders. They faced a lot of unknowns, where are the other battalions and where are the Germans. That causes stress, no doubt.
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  19. Tom OBrien

    Tom OBrien Senior Member


    Did the illustrious film maker make any notes about when he took the films or if he missed anything as he was changing films?

    BTW have you seen the picture that appeared in one of the Friends of the Airborne Museum newsletter a couple of years ago that showed a PzJager IV? I don't suppose he (or she!) grabbed a picture of that... :biggrin:


  20. Cee

    Cee Senior Member Patron


    Looks like the cat is out of the bag! But do continue on with your clips. For one they are somewhat better quality than the online version. Also the segments need to be isolated so they can be analyzed more fully. Up to this point It has been fun and has generated interest and discussion.

    Carry on ... :)

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