Messerschmitt 109 & 262

Discussion in 'General' started by gordonpagecolorado, Sep 21, 2005.

  1. gordonpagecolorado

    gordonpagecolorado Junior Member

    I wanted to let the group know about Warbird Recovery in Denver, Colorado. We are restoring two Bf-109s that we recovered from Russia to flying condition. We are also involved in the rebuild and flight of FIVE flying Me262 fighter jets. http://www.warbirdrecovery.com for more information on the projects. I also have a new award winning book out- about dealing with the KGB and Mafia in Russia to recover the planes. A "don't try this at home" story. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-h...7109367-1879844
    for more information. Would love to hear your thoughts on our site.
     
  2. elbowgeek

    elbowgeek Junior Member

    I"m very interested in the 262 recovery. However the web site seems a bit sparse on details, such as story and pics. If you add some more meat to the site it could be very interesting.

    Cheers
     
  3. adrian roberts

    adrian roberts Senior Member

    As Elbowgeek says, the site is a bit short on detail. I've found out more about the newbuild Me 262s and their trials and triumphs from reading the aviation magazines.

    However, the project itself is a great idea. Although we all like to see genuine warbirds flying, where a type is extinct a newbuild is the only way we will see one. Can't wait to see a 262 this side of the pond...
    I know one organisation is building an FW190 - is that you? How about a JU87?!

    Adrian
     
  4. Kiwiwriter

    Kiwiwriter Very Senior Member

    Five ME 262s? WOW.

    I have a hunch these jets are going to see more flight time than the entire German ME 262 arsenal did during the war! Those engines had a 24-hour lifespan! I'm sure your crews will do a better job of keeping them flying!

    If I had money, I'd get the book. But I've bookmarked your site and will look at it.

    Good luck with the 262s. If you can find Ski York's B-25 from the Doolittle Raid, you should get a Medal of Honor. :)
     
  5. morse1001

    morse1001 Very Senior Member

    Originally posted by Kiwiwriter@Sep 23 2005, 04:23 PM
    Five ME 262s? WOW.

    I have a hunch these jets are going to see more flight time than the entire German ME 262 arsenal did during the war! Those engines had a 24-hour lifespan! I'm sure your crews will do a better job of keeping them flying!

    If I had money, I'd get the book. But I've bookmarked your site and will look at it.

    Good luck with the 262s. If you can find Ski York's B-25 from the Doolittle Raid, you should get a Medal of Honor. :)
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    There is the aircraft company who are building from new, me262, the only problem is that they are two seaters not single seaters.

    it raises the question of Why oh Why do people restore two seater or T-bird version rather than single seaters

    it would be nice to see a formation of Me262 and Meteors over Farnbourgh
     
  6. adrian roberts

    adrian roberts Senior Member

    it raises the question of Why oh Why do people restore two seater or T-bird version rather than single seaters

    ....because they can make money, or at least gain publicity, from giving rides to journalists!

    I had read that one of the five new ME262's is being built as a single-seater. The website suggests that two seaters can be converted to look like single seaters - I'm not sure if that means all of them, or that the single-seater mentioned above is actually a two-seater with the rear cockpit covered over. (I'm inclined to believe the that it is a genuine single-seater, as on many two-seat versions of single-seat types the cockpits are not in the exact position of the single-seat cockpit, so a two-seater with one covered over will not look right).

    Many P51 Mustangs flying have had the fuel tank normally located behind the pilot removed and replaced by a jump-seat. Also, two-seaters tend to remain in service longer with their air forces than single-seaters, so are more likely to avoid the scrap-heap, which accounts for the preponderance of T33s and two-seat Hunters and Lightnings.

    I'm not complaining - I live in hope that one day I may win one of the competitions that Aviation mags occassionally run and get to fly in the back of a warbird!

    Adrian
     
  7. morse1001

    morse1001 Very Senior Member

    ....because they can make money, or at least gain publicity, from giving rides to journalists!

    That makes sense, if only from the cost of trying to run the aircraft!

    Still it takes away from the ascetic beauty of many of the classic single seaters. in as much as I would like to fly in a Hunter, if only to see if one of my old COs was right :) :) Then there would have to be t-birds. But seeing a single seat version flying would be great thing to watch.
     
  8. Gnomey

    Gnomey World Travelling Doctor

    I'm not complaining - I live in hope that one day I may win one of the competitions that Aviation mags occassionally run and get to fly in the back of a warbird!
    Wouldn't we all!

    Good luck with the project, would be great to see one over here in Britain!
     
  9. jimbotosome

    jimbotosome Discharged

    Gordon,

    When a plane like the ME-262 is rebuilt, does your team update the design of the engine to correct problems in the original design that made them unreliable?
     
  10. Kiwiwriter

    Kiwiwriter Very Senior Member

    Originally posted by morse1001+Sep 23 2005, 01:05 PM-->(morse1001 @ Sep 23 2005, 01:05 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Kiwiwriter@Sep 23 2005, 04:23 PM
    Five ME 262s? WOW.

    I have a hunch these jets are going to see more flight time than the entire German ME 262 arsenal did during the war! Those engines had a 24-hour lifespan! I'm sure your crews will do a better job of keeping them flying!

    If I had money, I'd get the book. But I've bookmarked your site and will look at it.

    Good luck with the 262s. If you can find Ski York's B-25 from the Doolittle Raid, you should get a Medal of Honor.  :)
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    There is the aircraft company who are building from new, me262, the only problem is that they are two seaters not single seaters.

    it raises the question of Why oh Why do people restore two seater or T-bird version rather than single seaters

    it would be nice to see a formation of Me262 and Meteors over Farnbourgh
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    Well, that's wierd...new ME 262s? I hope they sort out the metallurgy and engine problems, but I'm sure they will.

    I would assume these are being built as private jets, for people with money.
     
  11. elbowgeek

    elbowgeek Junior Member

    FYI, I punched ME-262 into Google and found:

    Stormbirds

    and it does appear that they've made some necessary adjustments. Interesting to see the potential of this beast, and what a stunning design achievement it was.

    Cheers
     
  12. morse1001

    morse1001 Very Senior Member

    Originally posted by elbowgeek@Sep 25 2005, 12:39 AM
    FYI, I punched ME-262 into Google and found:

    Stormbirds

    and it does appear that they've made some necessary adjustments. Interesting to see the potential of this beast, and what a stunning design achievement it was.

    Cheers
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    Good website
     
  13. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    Originally posted by elbowgeek@Sep 25 2005, 10:39 AM
    FYI, I punched ME-262 into Google and found:

    Stormbirds

    and it does appear that they've made some necessary adjustments. Interesting to see the potential of this beast, and what a stunning design achievement it was.

    Cheers
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    You would get the feeling that people will be lining up for these!
     
  14. morse1001

    morse1001 Very Senior Member

    jeremy Clarkson may have his lighting gate guardian, while I have my Hunter gate guardian pity its only a model!!!

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  15. Reverend Bob

    Reverend Bob Senior Member

    Oh that was great!! Thanks for the Stormbird link!!

    Gonna have to tell my buddy Tom Cruise he needs one in his hanger.

    http://airassets.com/me262.html

    Cheers
    Bob
     
  16. Gnomey

    Gnomey World Travelling Doctor

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