Martin M Oliver 30th July 1945 killed by blast

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  1. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Would anyone be able to add anything before I send off for DC.
    thank you

    Martin M Oliver aged 15 Killed by blast 30th July 1945.
    Buried Wealdstone cemetery,nw London


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  2. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Wonder if this is the same one??

    Name: Martin M Oliver
    Death Age: 14
    Birth Date: abt 1931
    Registration Date: Sep 1945
    Registration district: Hastings
    Inferred County: Sussex
    Volume: 2b
    Page: 22


    Martin M Oliver killed by blast 30 July 1945

    TD
     
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  3. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

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    DAILY MIRROR 4th August 1945
     
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    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

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  6. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    oh what a twit sorry

    thanks Guy thanks D thanks TD
     
  7. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    1939 register - Olivers in 81 ?Kenton Road
    Name: Martin Oliver
    Gender: Male
    Marital Status: Single
    Birth Date: 28 Oct 1930
    Residence Year: 1939
    Address: 81
    Residence Place: Wembley, Middlesex, England
    Schedule Number: 236
    Sub Schedule Number: 4
    Enumeration District: BWDM
    Registration district: 130/1
    Inferred Father: John Oliver
    Inferred Mother: Rosetta Oliver
    Household Members:
    Name
    John Oliver
    Rosetta Oliver
    Martin Oliver
    John Oliver
    Christina Watkin
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  8. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

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    Gloucester Citizen 4th August 1945
     
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  9. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    thank you Guy
    it is quite a puzzle
     
  10. KevinBattle

    KevinBattle Senior Member

    Seriously, how could a coroner tell the difference between falling 300 ft and blast injuries?
    I know it's just after VE Day, so most coroners would have had blast victims, but I would have thought that would involve torn and burnt clothing, and many other unpleasant aspects, yet a body falling 300 ft wouldn't have had burnt clothing? Torn, perhaps but not body pieces etc....
    He'd only just arrived, the morning of his arrival - travelling from Harrow to Hastings, presumably by train would have taken most of the morning?
    He'd fallen from the cliff top, so he'd have had to have landed on a mine on the beach and blown 20 ft back on to a ledge, by an explosion no one heard?

    ... and everyone assumed he'd defied being told about the cliffs on previous occasions, so it was his fault, could he have been pushed, perhaps by other boys or even a man? Sorry, simple accident seems more likely 75 years on..

    Even if his opera singer father had a car, it's 100 miles and no M25 - oh, that would mean a QUICKER journey then!
     
  11. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    if have sent off for DC
     
  12. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    ?? grab a copy of the inquest??

    TD
     
  13. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    looks like you have to visit to get the info
     
  14. ozzy16

    ozzy16 Patron Patron

    I'm wondering,
    Perhaps the young lad was walking along the top of the cliffs and found some unexploded ordinance and being a lad threw it over the cliff to see what would happen.?
    Watching it fall, and the resulting explosion could of caused him to lose his balance and fall over the cliff. Also with the cliff's being some 300ft high this might of killed the sound of the explosion which it seems no one heard.

    Just a thought.?

    Graham.
     
  15. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

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  16. KevinBattle

    KevinBattle Senior Member

    The 1939 Register has dates of death for both father John as 1st August 1947 (ARP volunteer) and Roetta as 4th February 1949 (exactly 1 week short of 50th birthdate 11 Feb 1899). Doesn't explain Martin's death but there was a sibling
     
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  17. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    hello Tony thank you i checked yesterday and it does say you can call them for advice.
    so ordered the DC which might add a bit more
     
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  18. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    DC received
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  19. Tony56

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  20. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    The DC does not add anything but confusion.The newspaper reports kindly posted state the coroner suggested he died of a blast injury.Without access to the coroners reports this will remain unsolved for now.
     

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