Mandalay Hill

Discussion in 'Burma & India' started by wtid45, May 6, 2009.

  1. sol

    sol Very Senior Member

    Sorry Sol, just re-read my own link it was the 1/4 of the Q.E. Own Gurkha Rifles who arrrived on 10th March when the battle for Mandaly Hill, was nearly over see the last link above. I agree with the point about the Berets and is it possible that being as Dad spoke of being in a Spearhead unit that he was part of a Recce outfit? and Dad was not a officer made corporal a few times but got busted!

    You mean 1/6th Gurkha Rifles (It became Q.E. only after the war).

    Then you probably can exclude any Indian (or Gurkha) unit. Maybe he was attached to some of them as support or they patrolled together but I think that he couldn't be part of any of them. I must admit that badge on beret really looks like those of Y&LR but then again I can't be 100% sure. I think that without his service record it will be hard to find out what was his original unit.

    Maybe if you succeed to find some information about Chadwick you will have a chance but if it was his first name than you'll have to search manually every name on every possible memorial in Burma and Singapore.
     
  2. wtid45

    wtid45 Very Senior Member

    Well ok Sol, 6th Gurkha Rifles:D Im gonna start calling the prince Of Wales Own the WELSH Gurkhas;) as for the picture with my Dad in it has thus far appeared in the book China Burma India, by Don Moser & Time Life Books. Issue 204, May 2005, Of Military Illustrated, and Britain At War In Colour- the book based on the tv Programme9 (hmmm there is a video /dvd:)) and it is to the guy who did the picture research for this book......... Adrian Wood, that i have sent a E -Mail this afternoon watch this space:D
     
  3. sol

    sol Very Senior Member

    ... Adrian Wood, that i have sent a E -Mail this afternoon watch this space:D

    I wish you luck :)
     
  4. 51highland

    51highland Very Senior Member

    Have checked through the DVD Britain at war in colour and there is no Movie film relating to this thread. The colour film on the DVD has a short piece of Mountbatten arriving, some footage by an Irishman from a Irish Artillery unit, and some footage about the Prisoners of war held by the japanese.
     
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  5. Sushil Talwar

    Sushil Talwar Junior Member

     
  6. wtid45

    wtid45 Very Senior Member

    Have checked through the DVD Britain at war in colour and there is no Movie film relating to this thread. The colour film on the DVD has a short piece of Mountbatten arriving, some footage by an Irishman from a Irish Artillery unit, and some footage about the Prisoners of war held by the japanese.
    Richard, thanks for doing that for me it was just a thought back to the drawing board:( all the best, Jason
     
  7. wtid45

    wtid45 Very Senior Member

     
  8. DaveB

    DaveB Very Senior Member

    Noticed in the back of my 1978 version of the CBI book that the photos were accredited to Popperfoto, I have since spent a few frustrating hours searching their archive to see if I can find the photo and a better caption.

    I finally found it on the Getty images site. Their caption doesn't help any though. I have attached the colour version of the image for what it's worth.

    Other images I have seen in CBI and similar books were found on the sites in some cases with much better captions - mentioning by name individual soldiers.

    TITLE: World War Two. The Road to Mandalay. Burma, Asia. March 1945. British soldiers resting in front of one of the many colourful Buddhas on Pagoda Hill during the battle for Fort Dufferin.
     

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  9. wtid45

    wtid45 Very Senior Member

    You found what I could not Dave! I have been chasing the Popperfoto angle for a while but could find nothing cheers for that more reps coming your way. Im holding out that the guy I E-mailed will have a source to the original pic im hoping somewhere out there there could be more pics:unsure:
     
  10. wtid45

    wtid45 Very Senior Member

    Noticed in the back of my 1978 version of the CBI book that the photos were accredited to Popperfoto, I have since spent a few frustrating hours searching their archive to see if I can find the photo and a better caption.

    I finally found it on the Getty images site. Their caption doesn't help any though. I have attached the colour version of the image for what it's worth.

    Other images I have seen in CBI and similar books were found on the sites in some cases with much better captions - mentioning by name individual soldiers.

    TITLE: World War Two. The Road to Mandalay. Burma, Asia. March 1945. British soldiers resting in front of one of the many colourful Buddhas on Pagoda Hill during the battle for Fort Dufferin.


    I have contacted Carlton pub who did the Britain At War In Colour book and they told me to contact ..........Getty Images, so I did and a very nice lady went through the sequence of pictures that appear in the 'China Burma India', book and no joy:( because they are Editorial and have no photographer acredited ther would seem to be little else to do via the pic. Just one more puzzle the pics are dated as processed DEC44:confused: .So unless ther is a way to blow up and enhance the picture or someone can tell me something from what they see in it thats all folks:(
     
  11. wtid45

    wtid45 Very Senior Member

    I got an E-mail back from Adrian Wood, and he gave me contact details for Popperfoto who have the original credit for the picture.I rang them spoke to a very American fella who is looking into the pic for me and will ring me back when he has any news fingers crossed people:)
     
  12. sol

    sol Very Senior Member

  13. wtid45

    wtid45 Very Senior Member

    Thanks Sol, I have seen them already;) as well as going through countless pics on the net, also got a copy of ATB that covers Mandalay hill/Fort Duffrein quite good was hoping Dads pic might of turned up as a Then and Now but no joy:( and I can get a A4 pic from Poperfoto for £46 but it wont tell me any more than the pic in the book.Regards, Jason
     
  14. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    Hi Jason,

    Have noticed your thread on a couple of forums. Although I have no real info to add here, I do have some photos of Mandalay Hill Pagoda as it is/was in 2008 when I visited Burma. I am the Grandson of a 1943 Chindit and went to Burma to visit his grave in Rangoon and also some of the Chindit places of interest. We travelled up to Myitkhina at first and then by train to Mogaung, White City, Mandalay, Maymyo and then finally Rangoon.

    Let me know if you would like some photos, they are far too big in memory to upload on the forum I'm afraid.

    Bamboo.
     
  15. wtid45

    wtid45 Very Senior Member

    Hi Bamboo, good to see you on here I have followed your posts over at ww2f with intrest and must congrtulate you on some great info.I would be really intrested in the pics of Mandalay Hill, I wonder if there are any that include the Pagoda on this thread and that I use as my Avatar will send you a PM all the best, Jason
     
  16. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    Hi Jason,

    I cannot find a photo of that particular Buddha. The Hill Pagoda is a gigantic structure which dominates the local surroundings. I was lucky enough to meet a veteran from the 19th Division when I was out there. He was with the Punjabis and worked in Tank Infantry. He was clearly very moved to be back in the city and blossomed as the time went on.

    The Pagoda itself is very much a living building today with family groups living and working on many of its levels. There must have been over 1000 steps walking up the levels with many statues and Buddhas of all shapes and sizes. The fighting in WW2 took place all the way up near to the top. There are some memorial plaques situated all around the building, but these are very understated indeed. The Burmese people and obviously their government pay no real homage to the events of WW2, apart from the wonderful care and attention to the War Cemeteries.

    The photos I have are really just holiday snaps with a slight military bias, I was just lucky to be in the company of three Burma veterans who gave me such a brilliant first-hand account of those times.

    Bamboo.
     
  17. wtid45

    wtid45 Very Senior Member

    Just find this in Osprey book about Lee tanks in British Army:

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    Well I don't know how this can help but just to add more information about battle ... for every case.
    Given what I have found out so far.... black beret+ Yorks&Lancs+150 Sqdn connection and then the fact that Stiletto Force, which had Infantry with them arrived first at Mandalay Hill, and Dad spoke of being with a Spearhead unit, then I have to conclude until proved otherwise this is who he was with. Just puzzled as to why, bar the one guy no one appears to be wearing a cap badge:huh:
     
  18. wtid45

    wtid45 Very Senior Member

    BUMP BUMP just hoping for some input from any new members:)
     
  19. wtid45

    wtid45 Very Senior Member

    Found this in a link I posted on here the other day near the botton there is mention of this guy being attached from 17 Indian div-Black cats to 19th Indian div-Dagger.So I looked back at my posts to where I said this "I am sure my Dad spoke of the 17th Indian (Black Cat) Divison who were not at Mandalay hill". World War 2 Burma Diaries.com  
     
  20. eweology

    eweology Junior Member

    Hi Jason,
    Your father George Henry Parr was my Dad's brother, Albert Parr. Dad served in Burma with the 82nd Anti Rank Regiment RA. Don't remember Dad ever talking about what regiment your Dad served in. I am heavily into geneology and would love to make contact via e-mail: (eweology@aol.com)
     

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