M1 Carbine

Discussion in 'Weapons, Technology & Equipment' started by chipm, Feb 12, 2019.

  1. chipm

    chipm Active Member

    I always thought the Carbine was a "fine" weapon with unrealized potential.
    It seems like The Allies already had the platform to create their own MP-44.
    I am not a weapons designer or a ballistics expert. But i would guess it would not have taken much more case capacity to transform The carbine into a more powerful rifle.?
    I was thinking a mere, additional, 1/4" - 1/2" of case length would have given the same bullet a new meaning.
    The Carbine, with more powder and full auto capability Would/Could have been an awesome rifle.
  2. Dave55

    Dave55 Very Senior Member

    The .30 Carbine round wasn't too far behind the MP-44 round. The case was 7.62mm x 33mm compared to 7.92 x 33mm Kurz but the Kurz was a bottleneck with significantly greater volume than the carbine round. It also used a pointed bullet vs the round nose carbine.

    Winchester did design a new .224 bottleneck cartridge for the carbine in the mid fifties that goes right along with what you are talking about.

    The Contender: Winchester’s .224 Light Rifle

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  3. chipm

    chipm Active Member

    Oh Wow.....OK.
    You mean there is somebody smarter than me.? :)
    Anyway.....Thank You.
    I had never heard about that...very interesting
  4. davidbfpo

    davidbfpo Well-Known Member

    Spotted French police officers on recent counter-terrorism patrol armed with M1 carbines; along with H&K MP5, not the French Army's standard rifle.
    The RUC used the M1 carbine for a time during 'The Troubles', my recollection is that they would have preferred the Ruger Mini-14, but for political reasons the USA stopped their sale.
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  5. robins2

    robins2 Active Member

    they also had the Mark 2 which could be switched to full auto along with a 30 round magazine
  6. Dave55

    Dave55 Very Senior Member

    I love the opening of Heartbreak Ridge.

    Here the full auto portion:

    Complete opening:

  7. Dave55

    Dave55 Very Senior Member


    "Woman testing a new type carbine at Aberdeen Proving Ground"

    Might be an ejected case almost directly over her head.
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  8. TTH

    TTH Senior Member

    An Israeli girl I was in love with carried a carbine when she served in the IDF Military Police.
  9. Dave55

    Dave55 Very Senior Member

    I think that is Hebrew on her shirt but I'm not sure.

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  10. TTH

    TTH Senior Member

    Yep, Hebrew it is. That could be her, too, she has the same build and the same hair.
  11. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Things I did not know.
    As someone interested in just how long a weapon can stay in service: cheers for that.


    Might the French coppers have been using M14s, though?

  12. Dave55

    Dave55 Very Senior Member

    I think those are Ruger .223 Mini-14s. Not positive though.
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  13. canuck

    canuck Token Colonial Patron

    Did she carry it all the time or only on dates?
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  14. canuck

    canuck Token Colonial Patron

    Lieutenant Hanley was responsible for me growing up with the impression that the M1 was a special, exclusive weapon. I still like the aesthetic of that gun.

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  15. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    The Mousqueton A.M.D.— France's Mini-14

    Ruger Mini-14 - Wikipedia
    Mousqueton A.M.D
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  16. Dave55

    Dave55 Very Senior Member

  17. Dave55

    Dave55 Very Senior Member

    Here is my dad's 'bring back'. When he enlisted in Dec of 41 he was assigned to the Coast Artillery for a very short time before being moved to 90mm AA and finally 4.2 mortars in Europe.

    I refinished the stock in the Boy Scouts in the sixties. I regretted doing that after I grew up but now I'm glad that I did. I think he liked it.
    It's a General Motors Inland. Original sling. I have the twin magazine pouch that soldiers loved to slip on to the stock. I don't put it on anymore since it has a metal belt snap inside of it and it mars the finish. I mention that soldiers used it on the carbine because it was actually a belt pouch designed for .45 auto pistol clips but they found it worked great for holding carbine clips on the stock.

    I plink with it every couple of years. Very pleasant to shoot without a lot of recoil or muzzle blast. Plus it makes me think of my dad. I have a better looking magazine but it is loaded at the moment and I didn't want to mess with unloading it for the picture.

    EDIT: I meant the other magazine is loaded, not the one in the picture.

    Last edited: Mar 4, 2019
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  18. Dave55

    Dave55 Very Senior Member

    My uncle John just home from Korea showing my mom his carbine.


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