Looking for Units for these Canadian PWs

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  1. sirjahn

    sirjahn Member

    As I have done in a couple other forum areas I have found a number of Canadian PWs that passed through or were liberated at the PW Hospital in Rennes France. I am trying to identify the units that these individuals were assigned to. They were captured between 6 June and 31 July 1944 and treated at the facility by US, British and French doctors. It is also of interest to me as where they went after being liberated on 4 August 1944. A US Evacuation Hospital arrived to take care of the PWs but I have not found any Canadians on the 35th Evac's Admissions lists of the approximately 50 that were liberated. This list was compiled from the Allied PW Doctors Admissions and Disposition List. The comment on Canadian PW Listing is from an Official Communication from the British Government to the Canadian Government based on the PW A&D where Canadians were sent back to the Stalag after being healed.

    If anyone can help by identifying the unit for one of these guys and/or their full name I would greatly appreciated it.

    Code:
    Rank	Svc  No.	Name	Diagnosis	         Comments	        Arrived	 Departed
    PVT	F/3563	Aucsin, F. N.	Right leg amputation		                23-Jun-44	
    PVT	D/116732 Baker, H.	GSW left leg		                        27-Jul-44	
    RFL	H/41578	Bast, C. J.	Shrapnel left calf 	On Canadian PW listing	13-Jun-44 16-Jun-44
    PVT	L/105890 Bell, T. C.	GSW right arm	        On Canadian PW listing	21-Jun-44 26-Jul-44
    CPL	E/22604	Berube, L.	GSW chest and right arm	On Canadian PW listing 	 4-Jul-44 12-Jul-44
    PVT	F/60008	Bishop, L. N.
                    Bishop, R. W.	GSW right thigh	On      Canadian PW listing     13-Jun-44 5-Jul-44
    WO	C27452	Blair, W.	Shrapnel right buttock		                 5-Jul-44	
    RFL	H/4727	Burdett, C. W.	GSW right foot, GSW left leg		        23-Jun-44	
    PVT	F/13201	Carfan, L.	Shrapnel left arm, hand, 
                                    knee and shoulders	                        27-Jun-44	
    PVT	D/71612	Clarke, A.	GSW right leg		                        27-Jul-44	
    RFL	H/20794	Cook, Albert	Amputation right leg	Pelle's Room	        27-Jun-44	
    PVT	114015	Cuima, M.	GSW, shrapnel both legs		                27-Jul-44	
    CPL	H/40932	Cullen, J.	GSW left chest		                         4-Jul-44 12-Jul-44
    CPL	F/44999	Diggins	        Shrapnel wound of left 
                                    side of head             On Canadian PW listing 11-Jun-44 12-Jul-44
    PVT	D/82026	Ducat, R.	Shrapnel head, both arms, right leg		27-Jul-44	
    PVT	B/155389 Dunford, C.	Shrapnel back		                        27-Jul-44	
    PVT	D/76949	Dunlop, J.	Shrapnel right arm		                27-Jul-44	
    PVT	F/36126	Dunn, R. L.	Perforating wound right hand On Canadian PW listing	16-Jun-44 12-Jul-44
    PVT	H/41640	Dutiaume, H. J.	Shrapnel left arm and left leg On Canadian PW listing	21-Jun-44 12-Jul-44
    PVT	M/7513	Evans, K.	GSW fracture ankle, shrapnel shoulders		29-Jul-44	
    RFL	L/28201	Ewalk, W. J.	GSW right arm	On Canadian PW listing	        24-Jun-44  1-Jul-44
    PVT	F/56085	Fisher, A.	Fracture left leg		                27-Jun-44	
    PVT	D/123434 Fortier, H.	Shrapnel back and leg		                27-Jul-44	
    PVT	D/71284	Franstein, A.	GSW head, right shoulder		        29-Jul-44	
    RFL	H/41207	Garnett, S.	GSW shoulders		                        16-Jun-44 12-Jul-44
    RFL	H/121061 Georgeson, W. E. GSW left thigh	On Canadian PW listing	13-Jun-44 16-Jun-44
    PVT	F/49719	Glennie, A.	Amputation 3rd right hand finger, fracture finger left hand 4-Jul-44	
    PVT	D/82981	Goodale, C.	Shrapnel left leg		                27-Jul-44	
    PVT	F/45199	Gordan, D. B.	GSW right Femur 		                23-Jun-44	
    CPL	F/49723	Gourley, C. O.	Shrapnel right shoulder, chest and neck	On Canadian PW listing	4-Jul-44 12-Jul-44
    PVT	K/50624	Hunchak, J.	Shrapnel left leg		                27-Jul-44	
    PVT	G/23117	Kelly, L. J.	GSW Left Chest	     On Canadian PW listing     11-Jun-44  5-Jul-44
    CPT		Kemp, J.	GSW fracture right leg		                27-Jul-44	
    PVT	B/755186 Kennedy, J.	GSW jaw		                                27-Jul-44	
    PVT	N/33820	Knupp, A.	Shrapnel right leg		                27-Jul-44	
    PVT	C/118592 Knuth, H.	Shrapnel left shoulder		                27-Jul-44	
    PVT	A/102829 La Foret, G. A. GSW right elbow	On Canadian PW listing 	 4-Jul-44 12-Jul-44
    CPL	B/70269	Labrick, M. P.	Amputation right arm		                23-Jun-44	
    CPL	H/17354	Lavalle	        GSW back		                        19-Jun-44	
    PVT	D/62856	Leclair, ?. P.	GSW right leg		                        23-Jun-44	
    PVT	D/82582	Leduc, A.	GSW back		                        27-Jul-44	
    PVT	F/44824	MacDonald, M.	Fracture left shoulder		                 4-Jul-44	
    CPL	F/60362	MacIntyre, A.	GSW right foot		                        21-Jun-44	
    CPL	D/83061	Mason, S.	GSW back, shrapnel face		                29-Jul-44	
    PVT	A/102942 Masse, R. J. U. Abrasion to calf, patella twisted On Canadian PW listing 16-Jun-44 28-Jun-44
    PVT	D/81969	McAran, B.	GSW right arm and chest		27-Jul-44	
    PVT	A/104355 McConnell, P. F. GSW right buttock	On Canadian PW listing	4-Jul-44 12-Jul-44
    PVT	F/78406	McCulloch, H. E. Shrapnel left Auxilla	On Canadian PW listing	11-Jun-44 12-Jul-44
    PVT	L/106403 McIntosh, M. H. GSW right foot and left leg		23-Jun-44	
    CPL	H/41725	McLean, H. C.	GSW back, right thigh	On Canadian PW listing	16-Jun-44 12-Jul-44
    PVT	F/55254	McNeill, J.	Buttock and leg shrapnel wounds	On Canadian PW listing	13-Jun-44 12-Jul-44
    PVT	D/81403	McWilliams, D.	Shrapnel left leg		                 27-Jul-44	
    PVT	F/50310	Melanson, D.	Amputation 2 fingers 		                  4-Jul-44	
    F/SGT	R/194196 Minet, J.	Superficial burns of face	RCAF?	         16-Jun-44 18-Jun-44
    PO	J/19712
            J/35736	Murphy, N. P.	Injury to head and back (Crash)	RCAF	         25-Jun-44 30-Jun-44
    PVT	D/135610 Myhill, G.	GSW right leg		27-Jul-44	
    PVT	F/2907	Peters, E.	Shrapnel right leg	On Canadian PW listing	  4-Jul-44 12-Jul-44
    PVT	F/50021	Pyke, N. W.	Shrapnel left leg and arm, 
                                     fracture right arm	On Canadian PW listing	  4-Jul-44 12-Jul-44
    SGT	D/83195	Raulston, M.	GSW left leg		                         27-Jul-44	
    PVT	D/139988 Raymond	Shrapnel left foot		                 23-Jun-44	
    PVT	D/139263 Rice, Jack A.	Shrapnel in right temple On Canadian PW listing	13-Jun-44 11-Jul-44
    PVT	F/87703	Richards, R.	GSW left chest, multiple shrapnel		  4-Jul-44	
    FO	J22382	Ross, J. W.	Facial burns	RCAF ended up at Stalag Luft III 23-Jun-44 12-Jul-44
    PVT	D/81395	Royston, F.	GSW right leg		                         27-Jul-44	
    PVT	F/89974	Sampson, S. A.	GSW right Femur, penetrating wound right hand	 23-Jun-44	
    CPL	F/45467	Sceetes, G. L.	GSW left leg		                         23-Jun-44	
    LCPL	K/15360	Shelford, H. M.	GSW left foot	On Canadian PW listing	         21-Jun-44 12-Jul-44
    TPR	H/26744	Speight, S. L.	Burns face and legs		                 23-Jun-44	
    LCPL	F/29968	Stevenson, W. S. GSW left shoulder	On Canadian PW listing	 15-Jun-44 5-Jul-44
    PVT	M/38838	Swanlund, A.	GSW right arm, shrapnel left hip		 27-Jul-44	
    PVT	G/19498	Sweeney	        Amputation right leg		                 19-Jun-44	
    PVT	G/4430	Wade, L. A.	GSW right arm and back	On Canadian PW listing	 23-Jun-44	
    PVT	F/52101	Wardrope, A. R.	Shrapnel right shoulder, left head On Canadian PW listing 13-Jun-44 16-Jun-44
    PVT	D/135646 Weeks, H. J.	Shrapnel in buttocks	On Canadian PW listing	 13-Jun-44 18-Jun-44
    SGT	F/30033	Wilson, R. H.	Fracture right ankle		                 24-Jun-44	
    
    
     
  2. dryan67

    dryan67 Senior Member

    I copied your list and will try and assign units over the next couple of days based on Service numbers. I will probably not get to it until Friday.
     
  3. sirjahn

    sirjahn Member

    Thanks for that. I look forward to your information.
     
  4. dryan67

    dryan67 Senior Member

    View attachment CanadianPOW1944.xls I am afraid the information will not be as helpful as you would like. The Service Number is based on the unit that the soldier joined when he enlisted or was conscripted (NMRA) into the Canadian Army. Each service number starts with a Letter that indicated the military district where he joined. These Letters indicate:

    A - Military District No. 1 - London, Ontario
    B - Military District No. 2 - Toronto, Ontario
    C - Military District No. 3 - Kingston, Ontario
    D - Military District No. 4 - Montreal, Quebec
    E - Military District No. 5 - Quebec, Quebec
    F - Military District No. 6 - Halifax, Nova Scotia
    G - Military District No. 7 - Saint John, New Brunswick
    H - Military District No. 10 - Winnipeg, Manitoba
    K - Military District No. 11 - Vancouver, British Columbia
    L - Military District No. 12 - Regina, Saskatchewan
    M - Military District No. 13 - Calgary, Alberta
    P - Permanent Force

    Since the numbers represent the unit that was initially joined, it may not represent the later units that the unit joined. For example, there are two privates that are listed as members of the Victoria Rifles of Canada, a Montreal-based unit from Military District No. 4. This unit never served overseas so more than likely these two soldiers went active from this unit and were sent to the reinforcement stream to join a unit that eventually served in France 1944. On the other hand, the eight soldiers that are listed with the 1st Battalion, The Black Watch of Canada, are probably correct since this unit served in France in 1944 and sustained heavy casualties there.

    I have attached a spreadsheet with units for you to look at, but I would take many of the units with a 'grain of salt' because of what I have mentioned above.
     
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  5. sirjahn

    sirjahn Member

    Thanks for this. Do you know which of the units might be questionable as being in the right place and time other than the obvious military districts?

    I have 1 guy from the Black Watch in the Hospital already so others would make sense.
     
  6. dryan67

    dryan67 Senior Member

    Unit in Normandy from the list are:
    Fusiliers Mont-Royal
    Royal Montreal Regiment
    1st Battalion, The Black Watch of Canada
    The North Nova Scotia Highlanders
    The North Shore (New Brunswick) Regiment
    The Fort Garry Horse (10th Armoured Regiment)
    The Royal Winnipeg Rifles
    The Regina Rifle Regiment

    The rest were either transfers or recruited into District Depots, etc.
     
  7. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Thanks for explaining that.
    I have the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders of Canada history upstairs & wondered what the letter at start of their numbers meant.
    Cheers.
     
  8. sirjahn

    sirjahn Member

    So the little units (Bridging Co., Clearing Station, Arty Batteries, etc ) didn't make it to Normandy then.
     
  9. dryan67

    dryan67 Senior Member

    The various artillery batteries listed were home service units. For example, Heavy Batteries were coast artillery. As the was went on their home role diminished and the men were recruited for the infantry.
     
  10. klambie

    klambie Senior Member

    Wish I could provide some more substantial assistance, but it's a tough area to research. Official casualty lists included PWs, but they don't seem to be commonly published. You may need to get into War Diaries and/or regimental museums to access this info.

    I can say there are no Regina Rifles or Canadian Scottish on this list, the only two PW lists I have found. The man identified as an original RRR was serving with another unit when captured. It's known that there were a lot of North Nova Scotia Highlanders and Royal Winnipeg Rifles PWs at this time so those would be units to look at. The North Novies regimental site includes a list of 'originals' who went overseas in 1941 and there are several matches, but that doesn't help much more than indicating their original unit as suggested by dryan67.
     
  11. sirjahn

    sirjahn Member

    Thanks for the tip. I already had a bunch of North Nova Scotia and some Winnipeg Rifles identified on the roster.
     

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