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  1. jeff brazeau

    jeff brazeau New Member

    i am looking for help with my grand fathers service records

    the issues i have are
    i dont understand the aberrations
    and i have difficulty reading them

    i have posted scansof what i have and welcome any help please

    Scan_0001.jpg Scan_0002.jpg

    thanks
     
  2. alieneyes

    alieneyes Senior Member

    Jeff,

    I'll post the ones I know. I'm surprised the LAC didn't send you the list of abbreviations and what they all mean.

    CIRU - Canadian Infantry Reinforcement Unit
    IRC - Irish Regiment of Canada
    SOS - Struck off Strength
    TOS - Taken on Strength
    PL - Privilege Leave
    NOK - Next of Kin
    R&Q - Rations and Quarters

    Others with far more knowledge of Canadian army terms will fill in the rest.

    Regards,

    Dave
     
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  3. bexley84

    bexley84 Well-Known Member

    Jeff,

    No definitive reading here..but a lot of "internal transfers" until he:
    - embarked for overseas service on 17th/18th Feb 1944
    - disembarked on 3rd March 1944
    - thence to IRC on 14th-19th March 1944
    - stayed with IRC until August 1944
    - was posted back to the IRC for a few weeks at the end of the year
    - got back to UK in early 1945.

    As you no doubt know, The Irish Regiment of Canada were in Italy in 1944... the Liri Valley et al...there's plenty written about that period.

    others will wade in.

    best wishes
     
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  4. Chris C

    Chris C Canadian layabout

    An additional place to ask might be the forums at wartimes.ca. It doesn't have a lot of regulars but they seem pretty knowledgeable.

    http://wartimes.ca/Forums/
     
  5. klambie

    klambie Senior Member

    X4 - reinforcement list
    X3 - hospital list - can indicate wounded or sick
    X8 - in transit - usually seems to indicate a move between theaters (ie. Med to UK)
    3 Bn, 4Bn, 3 CBRB - 3 (or 4) Cdn Base Reinf Bn - typically related to X4, in the reinforcement pool awaiting posting
    NETD - Non Effective Transfer Depot - usually no longer fit for duty in the field, waiting to return home
    CRD - not on the LAC abbreviation list I have (thinking harder, Cdn Repatriation Depot might make sense)

    Appears he always went to the X3 list from the X4 list (not from the IRC directly), hinting at sickness rather than wounds. Look to see if there is anything else in the file (hospital records) that might clarify.
     
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  6. jeff brazeau

    jeff brazeau New Member

    thank you everybody
     
  7. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    THE “X” LIST
    1. All personnel are held on the posted strength of a unit or are carried on the “X” list.
    2. The “X” list is maintained in 5 sections, and all transfers to and from it – or from one section of
    it to another - Units will, of course, casualty movements within the sections of, or involving
    transfer to, or from the “X” list.
    3. THE X (i) LIST comprises all ranks posted to fill vacancies in authorised War Establishments of
    a Headquarters or an extra-regimental unit (such as a base depot, school etc.). An officer placed
    in X (i) list will be seconded.
    4. THE X (ii) LIST comprises all ranks evacuated on medical grounds beyond Regimental First
    Aid Post. Personnel so evacuated cease to be on the effective strength of their units. Temporary
    or acting rank will be relinquished 28 days after being so transferred to X (ii) list. Personnel
    remain in X (ii) list until they are classified as fit for posting when they are transferred to the X (iv)
    list of their corps and marched out to the appropriate training depot, or until discharged by a
    medical unit direct to their original units.
    5. THE X (iii) LIST comprises
    a) Confirmed prisoners of war,
    b) Personnel officially declared missing,
    c) OR under un-suspended sentence of detention or imprisonment (personnel undergoing
    field punishment remain on unit strength),
    d) Deserters
    Missing personnel will NOT be transferred to X (iii) list until the official notification is received.
    Deserters are NOT struck off unit strength until [notification] is received and personnel are
    declared deserters through Part II Orders. Temporary or acting rank will be retained by, and
    extra-duty pay will continue to be payable to, personnel posted missing or PoW [Prisoner of War].
    6. THE X (iv) LIST comprises all unposted reinforcements and incoming reinforcement drafts.
    Personnel discharged from (x(ii)) to Training Depots, fit for duty, are transferred to the X (iv) list of
    their corps, until posted to a unit, when they are struck off X (iv) and taken on unit strength.
    Reinforcements in transit between the Base and a unit remain on X (iv) (and the Base Depot
    strength) until they actually reach and are taken on the strength by the unit to which they are
    proceeding. Escaped PoWs [Prisoners of War] who until such escape have been on the X (iii) list
    are transferred to X (iv) list on reaching their respective training depots.
    7. THE X (v) LIST
    a) When officer personnel attend as students at courses of instructions or schools, for more
    than twenty-eight days, they will be transferred to X (v) list.
    b) When other rank personnel attend as students at courses of instruction for more then
    twenty-eight days, they will be transferred to X (v) list (and thus struck off the strength of
    their unit) unless the unit expressly states that they should remain detached.
    c) All candidates for OCTU [Officer Cadet Training Unit] will immediately transferred to X (v)
    list; on commissioning they will be transferred to X (iv) list of their corps and subsequently
    posted to a unit.
    d) All personnel acting as instructors at courses or schools outside the …., or struck off unit
    strength for duty with a unit outside the …., will be transferred to X (v) list. Although
    officers might in such circumstances be seconded, they will be placed on X (v) list.
    19. Immediately an officer or other rank is transferred to the “x” list, he is “lost” to his unit, and is
    immediately replaceable by a reinforcement. Subject to Regulations, a vacancy for promotion is
    immediately created. It is in the interest of the unit to make immediate promotion or replacement
    as there is no guarantee that the individual will ever return to his unit. Return of specialist may,
    however, be requested …..Once personnel are transferred to X (iv) list from any other section of
    the “X” list, they are liable to be used as reinforcements for any unit within their own corps.
    Subject to certain conditions and exceptions as laid down in Regulations, acting or temporary
    rank will be relinquished on transfer to the “X” list.
    Personnel temporarily detached from their units and not actually posted or transferred to other
    units or corps will NOT be transferred to the “X” list, neither will they be replaceable by
    reinforcements.



    TD
     
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  8. klambie

    klambie Senior Member

    TD,

    I believe that is the X list system used by British (and other?) forces and it differs from that used by the Canadians. The Canadian usage is:

    X1 - prisoner of war
    X2 - detention
    X3 - hospital
    X4 - reinforcement
    X5 - on course
    X6 - missing
    X7 - on loan
    X8 - in transit
    X9 & X10 - waiting return
     
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