LLOYD, James W. RAF. KIA 29/10/40. No CWGC record

Discussion in 'Non-Commemorated War Dead' started by burlington, Feb 4, 2011.

  1. burlington

    burlington Member


    I have just managed to speak to my contact in Rhayader. He knows the Lloyd family and will get in touch with them when he can.

    In the meantime, he has seen this memorial and the information he has is that Lloyd was in the Military Hospital in Shenley, Hertfordshire, of which there is quite a lot of stuff online. Also, Lloyd is commemorated on the Rhayader War Memorial.

    I will let you have more information when I get it.



    ps the info. my contact has is that the date of death on the memorial is correct.
  2. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member


    thanks for keeping me updated

  3. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    His DC arrived yesterday.

    I was in service at the time of his death; under occupation it shows Aircraftsman 954409 RAF.

    Death was at Shenley Military Hospital

    Martin - my most sincere thanks for bringing this case to the attention of IFCP.

  4. KevinBattle

    KevinBattle Senior Member

    Was his death recorded in Barnet, it's not that far from Shenley...
    I just wonder if it was the James W Lloyd that I came across...
  5. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member


    indeed it was the same man so thanks for the DC ref

  6. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Well done everyone concerned, nice to read how this one has progressed.

    RIP James Lloyd
  7. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    Sad to announce that the RAF have turned down his case as he was not in service at the time of his death & do not regard his death as service related.

  8. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    In RAF UK units,RAF casualties NOK were given the choice of having their dead interred in their chosen cemetery.For these purposes, the dead were usually transported by rail to the nearest location of burial or if practical, transported by military transport.The guard of honour was usually raised by the casualty's unit but occasionally by a RAF unit close to the burial location.

    Station ORBs would normally record these arrangements being made as appropriate.

    Died on active service can indicate a number of reasons for death,ranging from natural causes,accidents on the RAF unit or in in public areas or such events as a flying accident whilst under training or as aircrew training.Some casualities who lost their lives under training can indicated as such by say Pilot U/T.However there does not appear to be a fixed rule on the latter.

    I have just ascertained that a Barnet Sub Registration District was "Barnet Hospitals" Can't see any obvious RAF flying units in the Barnet District civil parishes

    Barnet Registration District.What were the RAF flying and non flying units in the R.D?
  9. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    Shenley (Hertfordshire) apparently, was a civil parish within the Barnet Registration District from 1837 to 1965.
  10. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member


    The RAF have checked his service record & come to their decison; very little that can be done now

  11. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    Back to basics.Strange that he has been denied recognition from a death in service.

    The death certificate would tell more.
  12. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    Thats the rub Harry; his service record shows that he was discharged

    I have seen the DC which shows a service no & rank. I reckon that he had no civilian occupation at the time of his death so they recorded his last known


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