Licensing, copyrights, etc.

Discussion in 'Modelling' started by Za Rodinu, Mar 13, 2014.

  1. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    This is something I posted in a certain modelling forum, but to my surprise I got no response at all. I suppose n.e.w.b.i.e.s. are unworthy of attention...

     
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  2. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Oh, this Boeing license covers...

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  3. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

  4. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

  5. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Miguel,

    I never gave a thought to Licencing, but Copyright and Patent law I thought would only apply to actual full size reproductions.

    The Bolton Paul Company was aquired several times and eventually became part of the Smiths Group, although the Group do not now appear to have any aerospace Connections.

    So you should be on safe ground. :)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smiths_Group

    I wonder how the likes of Airfix, Frog, Revell and the other firms too numerous to mention, handled this Problem?

    Regards
    Tom
     
  6. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    I'm trying to untie this legal Gordian Knot, but it seems that Boeing does have a stranglehold, and I don't know about others like Bell, Grumman, Curtiss, Consolidated, Martin, etc. Say, Airacobra, Wildcat, Kittyhawk, Liberator, Marauder, etc, etc.

    It very much appears the RAF has trademarked the roundel as I said above, apparently in reaction to abuse by the rags industry, which to me is quite right, just imagine it a toiletries firm used it! There is a link somewhere in the MoD website, someday I'll contact them, I'd hate to be prevented from manufacturing RAF planes!

    Boeing also have an Intelectual Property Management dept, I should ask them too but this fish swins in a different kettle, but there's no harm in asking,

    The fact remains that the other day I picked up a North American P-51 kit with a sticker saying "Licensed by Boeing"!

    Tora Tora Tora with the Japs only! Ha!
     
  7. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Clive, thanks for the link to Blueprints, but to be frank their scans are pretty low resolution normally, I have the Crowood booklet, it has excellent drawings :)

    Anyway the Battle was a red herring, I doubt It'll sell much... :(
     
  8. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Here's a mistery for you. Here's Yamamoto's Betty going down, now where's Lamphier's [*censored*] ?

    [​IMG]
     
  9. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Call it a Bairey Fattle and see what happens...

    Have you approached this from a reverse direction and tried to trawl up any examples of court cases or cease and desists against small model-makers?
    (On my phone, so haven't checked links above to see if you have.)
     
  10. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    There are lots of horror stories in the forums already, this is also striking the railway modelling hobby and the small scale airliners too. It appears some lines demand very large amounts, while others see it as free publicity, Virgin is one.

    Yesterday I was talikng to a friend who used to be curator of a public transport museum, and he told me that the Lisbon transport company found out somebody was making resin models of their trams. How dared he??? Doing that without begging for permission? The other half of the board was saying: "Oh let him be and invite him to the museum and give him as much data and drawings as he needs and more, just think of the worldwide free publicity and the goodwil!l"

    So it all depends, but I've ceased to be an optimist long ago. In the meantime I don't know of any actual cease and desist action against small fry as you say, I'll have to trawl a while.
     
  11. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Adam, this is one reply I got in an airmodelling forum:

    * Here.
     
  12. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Suddenly, it becomes a tiny tad clearer why there's always been such an abundance of German machinery in model form.
    I can't see Krupp, Porsche, BMW, etc. kicking up too much fuss about their historical copyrights...

    It's an odd one isn't it, because my very personal guess is that the case would be pretty weak against the 'form' of a model infringing a company's rights.
    One imagines they just know none of their targets will have even close to the resources required to fight back, or are more specifically contesting the trademark-able designation more than the form?.


    B-24 Liberated!


    http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/4418467/
     
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  13. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

  14. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Fook, Adam, I'm feeling like I'm crawling up Mount Doom already! So there goes the Lib, Lockheed-Martin got the Consolidated/Convair rights!

    Some time ago I read a newspiece about a clothes shop somewhere in Spain whose owner named it Arsenal. It was just a name with no particular meaning. Your football club of the same name forced them to change, it was absurd but go tell that to a lawyer in the warpath!!
     
  15. Swiper

    Swiper Resident Sospan

    This emerged - in a related area - over the aftermarket supply of parts for Games Workshop models.

    Long story short... GW took the company to court - various dramas ensued and in the end... despite the below result (which I believe was appealed by CHS and they managed to reduce/nullify damages to pay GW) the number of after market companies selling parts has soared.

    http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2013/06/legalwatch-games-workshop-vs_14.html

    Legal departments fire out threats the whole time, enforcing them is quite another matter. Also the overly aggressive legal route in regards to the Spots the Space Marine ebook (you couldn't make this up) resulted in a farcical exchange which saw GW embarrassed and publicly exposed for yoinking many, many other things the year (including the term Space Marine).
     
  16. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Yes, but...

    Can you afford that? I certainly can't (yet) :biggrin:
     
  17. bakker-m

    bakker-m Member

    Since copyright law happens to be one of my professional fields of interest, I would like to point out that copyright, even on artifacts like planes, tanks, etc., is not eternal. According to the worldwide Berne Convention on copyright, protection must last at least 50 years after the object was lawfully made available to the public. Member states are allowed to extend this term, but not infinitely. In Europe, the term of protection was harmonised according to a European Directive in 1998. In all European member states, copyrights held by companies (regardless of where they are based) expire after 70 years, counting from January 1st following the actual date of first public appearance. For modellers, this means that any plane, vehicle, tank that appeared in public prior to January 1st, 1944, is now without copyright protection. And as of 1 January 2015, a new range of objects, viz., those that appeared in 1945, can be produced and distributed freely in Europe.
    I didn't check which terms hold for the US, but I do not expect the situation to be much different.

    Therefore, please do not be put off too easily by the threat of legal action, or license fees imposed by those original manufacturers! I hope this gives you some comfort.

    Kind regards,
    Martijn Bakker
     
  18. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Martijn,

    Thats sounds like just the good News that Miguel Needs.

    Regards
    Tom
     
  19. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Martijn, thank you very very much, this is a very important subject to me! If I may test your patience, can you check how it is regarding the US law?
     
  20. bakker-m

    bakker-m Member

    I just checked US law, and this is somewhat disappointing. US copyright law provides protection for items that were developed before 1976 (when they changed the law) for a period of 95 years starting on 1 January following the date of first appearance. This means that today only stuff older than 1 January 1919 is in the public domain.
    So, if you decide to make and sell models of objects that were first made between 01-01-1919 and 01-01-1944, don't produce them in the US and don't sell them there. For your information: In India, the term is 60 years, and in China 50.....
     

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