King's Regulation 392 xi - ammendments to

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  1. lugs

    lugs Junior Member

    Hi folks,

    whilst researching a soldier who first served during the Great War I have discovered that he forfeited his medals as he was discharged under KR 392 xi - which I believe relates to misconduct. However his medals were re-instated under revision/ammendment to the paragraph 392 xi.
    Does any kind soul have access to revised KRs which would include this, I have a copy of the 1913 KRs. Any help would be much appreciated,

    lugs
     
  2. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Lugs

    A belated welcome aboard :)

    Can I take it that you have used the site linked below ?
    Discharge - Kings Regulations Para 392 - Great War Forum

    I have a copy of Part 1 of the Manual of Military Law (1965) but couldn't find any ref to Reg 392 xi but I was intrigued to see a posting on the forum to which I've linked and thought that others might also be interested:

    Hi,
    I have always been perplexed by the meanings of the various clauses to Para 392 that appear on War & Victory Medal Rolls etc. I have therefore looked them up at Kew and list them below for anyone else who was in the same boat as me. I apologise if this has been put on the site before.

    Cause of Discharge

    (i) References on enlistment being unsatisfactory
    (ii) Having been irregularly enlisted
    (iii) Not being likely to become an efficient soldier
    (a) Recruit rejected both by medical officer and approving officer
    (b) Recruit passed by medical officer, but rejected by a recruiting
    officer stationed away from the headquarters of the recruiting area, or
    by approving officer
    (c ) Recruit within three months of enlistment considered unfit for service
    (cc) Recruits with more than three months service considered unfit for
    further military service
    (d) Recruit who after having undergone a course of physical training is
    recommended by an examining board to be discharged, or in the case
    of a mounted corps is unable to ride
    (e) Soldier of local battalion abroad considered unlikely to become efficient
    (f) Boy, who, on reaching 18 years of age, is considered to be physically
    unfit for the ranks
    (iv) Having been claimed as an apprentice
    (v) Having claimed it on payment of 10/- within three months after his
    attestation
    (vi) Having made a mis-statement as to age on enlistment
    (a) Soldier under 17 years of age at date of application for discharge
    (b) Soldier between 17 and 18 years of age at date of application for
    discharge
    (vii) Having been claimed for wife desertion
    (a) By the parish authorities
    (b) By the wife
    (viii) Having made false answer on attestation
    (ix) Unfitted for the duties of the corps
    (x) Having been convicted by the civil power of ___ or of an offence comitted
    before enlistment
    (xi) For misconduct
    (xii) Having been sentenced to penal servitude
    (xiii) Having been sentenced to be discharged with ignomony
    (xiv) At his own request on payment of ___ under Article 1130 (i), Pay Warrant
    (xv) Free, after ___ years service under Article 1130 (ii), Pay Warrant
    (xva) Free under Article 1130 (i), Pay Warrant
    (xvb) Free. To take up civil employment which cannot be held open
    (xvi) No longer physically fit for service
    (xviii) At his own request after 18 years service (with a view to pension under
    the Pay Warrant)
    (xix) For the benefit of the public service after 18 years service (with a view to
    pension under the Pay Warrant)
    (xx) Inefficiency after 18 years service ( with a view to a pension under the
    Pay Warrant)
    (xxi) The termination of his ___ period of engagement
    (xxii) With less than 21 years service towards engagement, but with 21 or
    more years service towards pension
    (xxiii) Having claimed discharge after three months notice
    (xxiv) Having reached the age for discharge
    (xxv) His service being no longer required
    (xxvi) At his own request after 21 (or more) years service (with a view to
    pension under the Pay Warrant)
    (xxvii) After 21 (or more) years qualifying service for pension, and with 5 (or
    more) years service as warrant officer (with a view to pension under the
    Pay Warrant)

    There appears to be no clause (xvii) and I have also come across clauses not listed here (xxva), (xxviii). I would assume that these were later additions to the regulations. If anyone out there in the ether can give me any further information on the clauses mentioned I would be most grateful.

    Cheers

    Steve





    Blimey !!!!!!!
     
  3. lugs

    lugs Junior Member

    Thanks for the reply Steve. I'm an active member of the linked site...looks like a trip to Kew may be in order for the new year,

    lugs
     
  4. Verrieres

    Verrieres no longer a member

    Hi,

    I have a question I hope someone can help with I have come across an (4435102) RSM W JOHNSON who was admitted to Hospital in China (1927) and later Repatriated and Discharged under KINGS REGULATIONS PARAGRAPH 363 (XXViii) on the 13th March 1927 (SS ROHNA) basically anyone know what KINGS REGULATIONS PARAGRAPH 363 (XXViii) is ??? I have read Rons post and noticed XXViii is discharge after three months notice but the rest is a mystery.
    Thanks
    Jim
     
  5. Mike L

    Mike L Very Senior Member

    Knew a bloke who got an MBE for re-drafting KR/QRs who would be able to answer this, unfortunately he passed away a couple of years ago so I am none the wiser than anyone else here.
    Sounds like one for the better informed 'barrack room lawyers'.

    Mike
     
  6. bofors

    bofors Senior Member

  7. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Only while I think about it :)

    This bears out the lovely story told about the use of KRRs (Kings Rules and Regulations).

    The story goes that, using KRRs, the Army can do ANYTHING it likes to you, except give you a baby.

    This was later ammended to say that, using KRR's the Army CAN give you a baby, but it can't make you love it!



    Ron
     
  8. Verrieres

    Verrieres no longer a member

    Thanks for the info and pointers if I get to the bottom of it I`ll post the answer here
    Cheers
     

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