King's Own Scottish Borderers

Discussion in 'British Army Units - Others' started by Edoardo Maria Dallavalle, Mar 4, 2014.

  1. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    I read F.A. Rumball

    9 May 1940

    Regards
    Tom
     
  2. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Smudger

    as I do "9" as the bulge is in the wrong place for a '5' - more like a 'g' though- which doesn't make sense

    Cheers
     
  3. Roxy

    Roxy Senior Member

    Whilst the label says Major, it has a captain's pips. Doesn't a major wear a crown?

    ?

    Roxy
     
  4. Steve Mac

    Steve Mac Very Senior Member

    Another angle is to contact the military outfitters and tailors: Wm. Anderson & Sons of Edinburgh, which is now: Kinloch Anderson - link: http://www.kinlochanderson.com/about-kinloch-Anderson

    They have a website covering family members who served in WWI and I wonder if they may have an archive covering WWII officers uniforms they provided?!

    Best,

    Steve.
     
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  5. Ok, i'va already sent an e-mail, now i've only to wait! Only a questioni: do you like this uniform? Does it show any problem in your opinion?
     
  6. DianeE

    DianeE Member

    Can you tell us how you acquired the uniform?
     
  7. I bought the uniform from an ancient dealer near my town! :)
     
  8. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    I'm not an expert on uniforms but there's only two oddities that I can see, the label says Major when it has three pips which is a Captain. Not sure how the Acting and Temporary ranks worked regarding if you displayed a crown for Major but then again I wouldn't have put Major on the label- May be he was busted down a rank? The other thing is the Parachute Regiment collar dog. If he was a KOSBi I would have thought he'd wear their regimental cap badge but then again did officers have collar dogs in WW2? Not even 100% sure if they have them today? I know other ranks do as mine had them on.
     
  9. I take your point, i tried to remove the pips from the shoulder and they Left under them a mark, it means that they're there from a lot of time. The other strange thing is that the name in impossible to find, also referred to other regiments... Why Simeone should wrote nonsense words on a ww2 uniform? If His aim was to increase the value of the jacket he sould have written a real name easy to find with a normal research on-line, do you take my point? :)
     
  10. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

    Frederick Alfred Rumball Born 21/1/1912 died Ipswich Suffolk 1989

    Frederick A Rumball born Jul 1912 Marylebone London died Dec 1958 Battersea London age 46
     
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  11. Great! Any record of army service? How did you found the names? :)
     
  12. Shiny 9th

    Shiny 9th Member

    It is possible that this officer moved between Regiments - Officers Returns seem to give original Rgt. Also although the uniform has come to light in Italy that does not mean it was abandoned there during the War. Other scenarios are possible. It does look as if it has been well looked after though and the labels look authentic.
     
  13. Yes, i found a scrap of paper wrote in french with the uniform, probably the jacket was in France...
     
  14. Steve Mac

    Steve Mac Very Senior Member

    Another thought is to contact the KOSB regimental museum, in Berwick-upon-Tweed, Northumberland, England, United Kingdom; link: http://www.kosb.co.uk/museum.htm

    Best,

    Steve.
     
  15. Ok, but i'm receiving only the same anser: "can't find any officer with your informations". Isn't possibile that the name and the army number on the laber are falde because the officer needed a false Identity? Maybe he worked with MI6 or something similar...
     
  16. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce

    I am finding it strange I cannot find any reference to a Major in the Army with the name Rumball on the internet.

    Isn't there a Harts Army List of Officers somewhere?


    Lesley
     
  17. Shiny 9th

    Shiny 9th Member

    What does the scrap of paper written in French say? Can you add a photo of this? It could be an important clue.
     
  18. Finally an answer from the regimental Museum! Here's the e-mail!

    Finalmente qualcosa si muove in Inghilterra! Ecco il testo della mail che ho ricevuto!

    Hello Edoardo,

    The lettering on the label (to me) reads clearly Major F.A. Rumball, officer's number 47791. However, I have checked the London Gazette, and that number belongs to an officer in the RAMC named Murphy. I have also been unable to find in the Army Lists any officer with the name F.A. Rumball serving with the KOSB or in any other regiment in 1940. I have looked for variants, such as 'Rundall', 'Rumble', Rumbold etc., but without success. It's a mystery. I'll keep looking.

    Ciao,
    Ian
     
  19. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Sounds like Ian had a look here before replying to your email :lol:
     
  20. Shiny 9th

    Shiny 9th Member

    Another thought. The name could be Runball. Also is it possible that this is a theatrical garment? Anyone know of any plays with a Major or Captain with a similar name.? Can you let us have details of the French writing?
     

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