King or Parliament?

Discussion in 'Prewar' started by von Poop, Jul 16, 2009.


English Civil Wars - King or Parliament?

  1. Royalist

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  2. Roundhead

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  3. Both

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  4. Neither

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  1. A-58

    A-58 Not so senior Member

    What's a Roundhead?
  2. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Wikipedia is your friend :)

    "Roundhead" was the nickname given to the supporters of Parliament during the English Civil War. Also known as Parliamentarians, they were the supporters of Oliver Cromwell against King Charles I. [1] Cromwell rose to prominence as a Member of Parliament and Parliamentary soldier, and eventually established himself as Lord Protector in 1653. Roundhead political and religious factions included (but were not limited to) Presbyterians, classical republicans, Levellers, and Independents. The Roundheads' enemies, the Royalist supporters of King Charles I of England, were nicknamed Cavaliers.

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  3. union

    union Junior Member

    Would have been parliament here and more specifically I would search out John Lilburne's regiment.
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  4. urqh

    urqh Senior Member

    white working class thugs ...or thats how sky news would probably describe them today... hoodies sort of...
  5. GPRegt

    GPRegt Senior Member

    Royalist... and I still am



    Gentlemen of the Pike in Sir Richard Bagot's Regiment of Foote - mad, bad and purple clad!!


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  6. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Years ago I joined this lot, rather I paid my subs, went to one event, their Xmas banquet, didn't fancy it so never went again.
    Not my thing at all.
    >> Who We are
  7. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    What's a Roundhead?

    I have to add that this designation was prompted by the other sides' heads being of a totally different shape.

    This book will give you a complete run down on British history.
  8. phylo_roadking

    phylo_roadking Very Senior Member

    Nowadays it would be probably something like "slaphead"... :)
  9. ozjohn39

    ozjohn39 Senior Member

    In 1640, - Parliament.

    In 2009, - Good ol' Liz, nearly as good as her mum and hope she lives as long, preferably out-living her son.

  10. A-58

    A-58 Not so senior Member

    white working class thugs ...or thats how sky news would probably describe them today... hoodies sort of...
    That would be a Redneck over here in the US....
  11. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    That would be a Redneck over here in the US....

    Hmmm, Republicans rather?

  12. A-58

    A-58 Not so senior Member

    Hmmm, Republicans rather?

    Well, could be, but definitely not democrats of the most liberal variety....
  13. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Back to 17th Centuary British history please, NOT modern US politics.
  14. A-58

    A-58 Not so senior Member

    Back to 17th Centuary British history please, NOT modern US politics.
    Roger that. A most humble apology is offered.
  15. Passchendaele_Baby

    Passchendaele_Baby Grandads Little Girl

    I dont know. hehehe
  16. slaphead

    slaphead very occasional visitor


    Charles I - easily malliable (bad), believed in the devine right of kings (also bad), refused to make decisive strikes in the early days as it was - to paraphrase "his duty to protect his people" (honourable but ultimately stupid) - religiously tolerant

    Cromwell - decisive (good/bad depends on the decision), believed God was always with him, a religiously intollerant puritan who enforced universal Sunday worship and banned Christmas, smashed churches etc etc etc. Sided with the levellers and espoused the equality of man, but ended up almost crowning himself King (I guess some are more equal than others!)

    I'll be Royalist then and definately Royalist now!
  17. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    As I come from the Fens I would change sides as necessary as my ancestors did to ensure their surivival; Im a royalist now of course having given an oath of alleigance when i joned up
  18. beeza

    beeza Senior Member

    Now some cretin in one of the Melbourne dailies today mentioned Britain having an unelected grandmother as the head of
    state. When I think of all the strife many of the worlds countries are getting into with their elected (or not) presidents I am sure that the path that Britain has trodden down the past few hundred years (or more) has been the correct one
  19. PeterG

    PeterG Senior Member

    What's a Roundhead?
    A member or adherent of the Parliamentary party in the Civil War of the 17th century, so called from their custom of wearing the hair close cut.

    The name appears to have arisen towards the end of the year 1641: see Clarendon Hist. Reb. iv. §121. Rushworth Hist. Coll. (1692) iii. i. 463 attributes its origin to an officer named David Hide, who (app. on 27 Dec. of that year) threatened to ‘cut the Throat of those Round-headed Dogs that bawled against Bishops’.

    1641 R. Brathwait Merc. Brit. iv, See‥how these notted and round heads with their prick eares doe listen and stare on their predicating Pinner.
    (source: the great 20 volume Oxford English Dictionary)

    Cavalier originally 'a gentleman trained to arms', from about 1600 came to mean a 'roistering swaggering fellow'. It was originally used by the Parliamentarians as a term of contempt for 'the swash-bucklers on the King's side, who hailed the prospect of war'.

    At iv 121 Clarendon, 27 December 1641:And from those contestations [i.e., the beating up of 'insolent' petitioners by Court officers in a cavalier (i.e., haughty) manner] the two terms of 'Roundhead' and 'Cavalier' grew to be received in discourse and were afterwards continued, for the most succinct distinction of affectation throughout the quarrel: they were looked upon as servants to the King being then called 'Cavaliers', and the other rabble contemned and despised under the names of 'Roundhead'.
  20. slaphead

    slaphead very occasional visitor

    I have no references to back this up, but I thought another reason for "Cavalier" came from the French "Chevalier" or horeseman... ie Cavalry
    Though both sides had cavalry and both sides had Lords and gentry on their side so this might be complete twoddle on my part ! (no change there, then!) ;)

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