jagdpanzer IV - clearly wrong???

Discussion in 'Modelling' started by kfz, Feb 8, 2007.

  1. kfz

    kfz Very Senior Member

    Italeri Jagdpanzer 4. Look at the attachment, Them wheels are never quadrupled up.

    Fro mwhat I can tell it was preety much the Pz4 chassis. Some later ones had only 3 return rollers and superstructure that fitted onto the silly front plate of the pz4. Never seen this 4 road wheel per axles though....

    Kev
     

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  2. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Never seen this 4 road wheel per axles though....
    Kev,
    I think they are two halves of each road-wheel.So only two wheels in all.
    Why couldn't they have made each wheel thick enough on the kit, I dunno.
     
  3. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Owens right. Its two wheels not four!!
     
  4. kfz

    kfz Very Senior Member

    Kev,
    I think they are two halves of each road-wheel.So only two wheels in all.
    Why couldn't they have made each wheel thick enough on the kit, I dunno.


    No if you fit it will be clearly 4 wheels as the it will have two stub axles, effectivly giving you two track slots on the wheel assembly. Its wrong.

    Ive got a PZ4 and Hummel so its pretty easy to compare wheel assemblies. Im pretty convinced its wrong now.

    Kev
     
  5. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    edited. ignore my advice, I couldn't believe Italeri be that daft .
     
  6. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Jagdpanzer IV's from around the world courtesy of the excellent Tanxheaven website.
    Should indeed be a pretty standard PzIV suspension.

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    More from the Shadock: http://the.shadock.free.fr/Surviving_Panzer_IV_variants.pdf
    This reviewer http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/it/kit_it_7028.shtml
    Seems perfectly happy to refer to 64 roadwheels?? so while I'd normally say the instructions would be more likely to be wrong than the kit it seems the kit may well be dodgy.
    Unless there is some bizarre variant with double roadwheels? You never know with german gear, but I have to say I've now looked through dozens of books and seen nothing of the kind.

    Unless they've forgotten to put an 'optional' symbol in and the four wheel pieces in fact represent the 2 types of roadwheel?

    What does the track look like? Does it have a single run of central guide horns like it should have?

    Aha! This bloke got on fine by just using 1/2 the specified wheels (presumably the external ones), the kit/instructions are indeed a bit iffy:
    http://www.internetmodeler.com/2005/november/first-looks/italeri_jadgpanz_review.php

    (Remind me to ignore the previous cybermodeller reviewer if he can't even spot something like that!)

    Cheers,
    Adam.
     
  7. kfz

    kfz Very Senior Member

    Thanks Poopy, The track has one centre track and track isnt wide enough for an extra set of road wheels.

    Found a reference somewhere that the first unit would often have solid wheels (not rubber tyred) cos of ther extra weight of glacis plate and gun over the pz4 would destroy the rubber on the wheels. but aaprt from that its the standard leaf spring units from the pz4 from what I can make out.

    Kev
     
  8. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Somebody must have been sniffing stupid powder at Italeri and at Cybermodeler. :mad:

    Kfz, you may notice that on von Poop's 1st and 3rd pics you see different pattern wheels from the usually spoked ones. On the JPz IV the first two wheels on each side were of a different design, without the deep rubber rim. Instead they had a narrow rubber rim and a steel rim outside, as the vehicle was very nose-heavy and ate up front wheels.

    On the 4th pic you see 4 reinforced wheels of this style at front, and if you look carefully at the pic you'll see this is because the vehicle is another JPz variant which was even worse in nose heaviness terms. This was the JagdPz IV Zwischenlösung, that is, interim solution, which used normal PzIV chassis with a modified JpzIV casemate, an interim solution used until you got enough specialised JpzIV chassis coming off production.
     
  9. kfz

    kfz Very Senior Member

    Somebody must have been sniffing stupid powder at Italeri and at Cybermodeler. :mad:

    Kfz, you may notice that on von Poop's 1st and 3rd pics you see different pattern wheels from the usually spoked ones. On the JPz IV the first two wheels on each side were of a different design, without the deep rubber rim. Instead they had a narrow rubber rim and a steel rim outside, as the vehicle was very nose-heavy and ate up front wheels.

    On the 4th pic you see 4 reinforced wheels of this style at front, and if you look carefully at the pic you'll see this is because the vehicle is another JPz variant which was even worse in nose heaviness terms. This was the JagdPz IV Zwischenlösung, that is, interim solution, which used normal PzIV chassis with a modified JpzIV casemate, an interim solution used until you got enough specialised JpzIV chassis coming off production.


    Yep thats pretty much as it says. Thanks for pointing out the front wheeels on VP's pics. See it quite clearly now.

    The give away is that there isnt enough roadwheels in the kit to do what they say.. Slight clue.

    The problem with these late war models is that there was so few there is little scope to paint them up in different colours. You get a Sherman you can paint in anyway you like, You cant have enough P4's, Matilda's or Shermans.

    When shes done I'll stick some pics up.

    Kev
     
  10. kfz

    kfz Very Senior Member

    Thanks for your help on this one guys.

    Heres the finished article. (complete with two of his panzer four friends).

    Its the short stop gap gun(though I left the muzzle brake off as per usual).

    If you missed it its Italari Jagdpanzer IV. 1/72nd. Humbrol paint with pastals and water colour pencil.

    Kev
     

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  11. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Somebody must have been sniffing stupid powder at Italeri

    I agree, having made three of their kits now, I'm finding errors in their instructions in each one. Part number wrong, part in wrong place etc.
     

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